Linux Users, What's You Distro Experience?

[Artie Fichelle]

I tried to make work Reason 13 and Ableton Live 12 on my Debian 12 machine, they installed with wine but the menues in Reason I cannot use. And Ableton Live 12 installed also, but it hangs, Performance is bad. Although I use a real time kernel. That said, until someone proves to me how I have to install it, that it works flawlessly, I use my Win11.
I have, a good understanding or the terminal, but dealing with VCRs, which is tricky with wine, I do not use it as a music production system, rather than an experimental.

[Artie Fichelle]

I tried to make work Reason 13 and Ableton Live 12 on my Debian 12 machine, they installed with wine but the menues in Reason I cannot use. And Ableton Live 12 installed also, but it hangs, Performance is bad. Although I use a real time kernel. That said, until someone proves to me how I have to install it, that it works flawlessly, I use my Win11.
I have, a good understanding of the terminal, but dealing with VCRs, which is tricky with wine, I do not use it as a music production system, rather than an experimental.

[Largos]

But that's just my personal opinion. Who am i to tell other people what they have to do or not? When you want to make music at Linux, then do it. This was never the question. The points where i joined the discussion here are the false claims. Like Linux has no performance problem. Or that everything works as at Windows or Mac. And that all software is available. And plain questions like why does the world not bend to Linux? And so i did my best to explain why, from the view of a musician, software developer and Linux user. Based at facts where ever possible.

You repeatedly post bullshit like going on about needing to package individually for 600 distros and you're trying to "prove people wrong" for liking something you don't so I doubt anyone buys that entire paragraph.

[WackyZoundz]

It all reminds me of a former colleague and the "best car ever built" in his garage. He kept tinkering endlessly, ordering parts, fixing and testing things but it never worked, never reached the stage to be used on the road. He put a lot of time and money into this car but never drove it, not even once. And then there was his second car, a modern and unspectacular family van he used daily to drive to work or to the grocery store or to get the kids from school. It always worked, never broke down, didn't need much gas, had a good AC and so on - but it was the bad car because it had "no soul". And just like Linux fanboys he became very aggressive whenever somebody told him how illogical he was.

It needs a lot of effort to pull the best car ever built out of the garage and turn it into an actual car that can be driven. Only a company of professionals can do it (like Valve). The hobbyists and nerds are obviously not able or willing to. It needs a company to take Linux away from them. Done is better than perfect.

[revvy]

That anecdote is so apt!

[BertKoor]

... but it works on his machine

[lunardigs]

Look, everyone has done a fine job sparring here, but it's probably time we return to reality and recognize that we probably have something better to do.

[lunardigs]

Look at that ....
Everyone's just waiting for the next post
Lol!

[lunardigs]

Ok whatever, I'll break the ice.

Me:
Hey ChatGPT,
Pretend that you're a person in a forum complaining about Linux, in terms of compatibility and software dependencies. Try to exaggerate a bit, but still sound truthful and real with your concern, yet be biased in terms of seeing Windows and MacOS as superior. Also, keep is short and concise.

ChatGPT:
Alright, here it goes:

Ugh, Linux is such a pain! Every time I try to install something, it's like navigating a labyrinth of dependencies. You need one package for this, another for that, and if you miss a single one, the whole thing crashes or just won't work. It’s like a never-ending puzzle where the pieces are scattered everywhere. Windows and macOS have their issues, but at least their software is streamlined and you don’t spend half your day wrestling with compatibility problems. Plus, they actually provide decent support and updates without needing to dig through forums or tweak a million settings. Linux might be great for techies, but for the average user, it’s a nightmare!

Me:
Ok, great!
Let's modify this a bit though. Try to include the phrase "dependency hell" and also criticize the Linux community for being "toxic" and unhelpful.

ChatGPT:
Alright, here's a revised version:

Ugh, Linux is such a mess! Every time I try to install something, I'm plunged into "dependency hell." You need one package for this, another for that, and if you miss even one, the whole system falls apart. Windows and macOS are so much better—at least their software is straightforward and doesn’t require endless tweaking. And don’t even get me started on the Linux community. They’re incredibly toxic and unhelpful, often brushing off any issues with arrogance. Instead of assisting, they just make you feel like you’re the problem.

[ghettosynth]

Ok, I'll play

Me talking to chatgpt:

A prompt to you from another user elicited the following response wrt Linux vs mainstream OSes.

Ugh, Linux is such a mess! Every time I try to install something, I'm plunged into "dependency hell." You need one package for this, another for that, and if you miss even one, the whole system falls apart. Windows and macOS are so much better—at least their software is straightforward and doesn’t require endless tweaking. And don’t even get me started on the Linux community. They’re incredibly toxic and unhelpful, often brushing off any issues with arrogance. Instead of assisting, they just make you feel like you’re the problem.

Counter this with facts, in particular, point out the exaggeration present in this hyperbolic response. Write your response directly to the poster but do not hide the fact that it is a chatgtp response, I will include this prompt.

ChatGPT's response:

Here's a factual counter to the hyperbole in your response:

It's clear that you're frustrated, but some of your points are quite exaggerated. Dependency issues, often called "dependency hell," were indeed a bigger problem in the past, but modern package managers like apt, dnf, and pacman have largely mitigated this. Most mainstream Linux distributions handle dependencies automatically, and it's rare to encounter issues if you're using supported repositories.

Comparing Linux with Windows and macOS isn't exactly fair, as they serve different purposes and have different user bases. Linux offers unmatched customization, security, and control, which is why it's preferred by many developers, sysadmins, and even in enterprise environments. The software ecosystem is vast and continually improving, with most major applications available on Linux or with excellent alternatives.

Regarding the Linux community, while there are pockets of elitism, this isn't unique to Linux. There are countless helpful communities and forums where people are willing to assist—sometimes it's just about finding the right space. It's worth noting that many of these people contribute their time and expertise voluntarily, which reflects the strong community ethos in the open-source world.

Ultimately, each operating system has its strengths and weaknesses. Linux requires a bit more willingness to learn and adapt, but it offers a level of freedom and control that the others don't.

(Generated by ChatGPT)

Have fun!

[audiojunkie]

Ok whatever, I'll break the ice.

Me:
Hey ChatGPT,
Pretend that you're a person in a forum complaining about Linux, in terms of compatibility and software dependencies. Try to exaggerate a bit, but still sound truthful and real with your concern, yet be biased in terms of seeing Windows and MacOS as superior. Also, keep is short and concise.

ChatGPT:
Alright, here it goes:

Ugh, Linux is such a pain! Every time I try to install something, it's like navigating a labyrinth of dependencies. You need one package for this, another for that, and if you miss a single one, the whole thing crashes or just won't work. It’s like a never-ending puzzle where the pieces are scattered everywhere. Windows and macOS have their issues, but at least their software is streamlined and you don’t spend half your day wrestling with compatibility problems. Plus, they actually provide decent support and updates without needing to dig through forums or tweak a million settings. Linux might be great for techies, but for the average user, it’s a nightmare!

Me:
Ok, great!
Let's modify this a bit though. Try to include the phrase "dependency hell" and also criticize the Linux community for being "toxic" and unhelpful.

ChatGPT:
Alright, here's a revised version:

Ugh, Linux is such a mess! Every time I try to install something, I'm plunged into "dependency hell." You need one package for this, another for that, and if you miss even one, the whole system falls apart. Windows and macOS are so much better—at least their software is straightforward and doesn’t require endless tweaking. And don’t even get me started on the Linux community. They’re incredibly toxic and unhelpful, often brushing off any issues with arrogance. Instead of assisting, they just make you feel like you’re the problem.

You Sir, win the prize!!! This was GOLDEN!!!!!! Bwahhhaaaahahahahaha!!!! I love it!!!!

[audiojunkie]

Ok, I'll play

Me talking to chatgpt:

A prompt to you from another user elicited the following response wrt Linux vs mainstream OSes.

Ugh, Linux is such a mess! Every time I try to install something, I'm plunged into "dependency hell." You need one package for this, another for that, and if you miss even one, the whole system falls apart. Windows and macOS are so much better—at least their software is straightforward and doesn’t require endless tweaking. And don’t even get me started on the Linux community. They’re incredibly toxic and unhelpful, often brushing off any issues with arrogance. Instead of assisting, they just make you feel like you’re the problem.

Counter this with facts, in particular, point out the exaggeration present in this hyperbolic response. Write your response directly to the poster but do not hide the fact that it is a chatgtp response, I will include this prompt.

ChatGPT's response:

Here's a factual counter to the hyperbole in your response:

It's clear that you're frustrated, but some of your points are quite exaggerated. Dependency issues, often called "dependency hell," were indeed a bigger problem in the past, but modern package managers like apt, dnf, and pacman have largely mitigated this. Most mainstream Linux distributions handle dependencies automatically, and it's rare to encounter issues if you're using supported repositories.

Comparing Linux with Windows and macOS isn't exactly fair, as they serve different purposes and have different user bases. Linux offers unmatched customization, security, and control, which is why it's preferred by many developers, sysadmins, and even in enterprise environments. The software ecosystem is vast and continually improving, with most major applications available on Linux or with excellent alternatives.

Regarding the Linux community, while there are pockets of elitism, this isn't unique to Linux. There are countless helpful communities and forums where people are willing to assist—sometimes it's just about finding the right space. It's worth noting that many of these people contribute their time and expertise voluntarily, which reflects the strong community ethos in the open-source world.

Ultimately, each operating system has its strengths and weaknesses. Linux requires a bit more willingness to learn and adapt, but it offers a level of freedom and control that the others don't.

(Generated by ChatGPT)

Have fun!

I love it!

[audiojunkie]

What's funny is that every time I bring up the next generation Linux technologies that resolve all of the problems that they mention, they are silent and give no response whatsoever. And in Tiles' case, he simply goes back to the same old out dated drivel that he has repeated ad nauseum, like a conspiracy theorist that can't accept reality. I am so thrilled about these next generation technologies, and I love that all of the problems that people complain about have been solved.

For those who are interested in knowing more about what the next generation of Linux is, check out these links (I'm not posting for the haters that aren't interested in actually learning something):



There are several next generation distros out there, but the one that I use is Fedora Silverblue. The new generation of Linux is here now!

[WackyZoundz]

That said, until someone proves to me how I have to install it, that it works flawlessly, I use my Win11.

Same. And I dislike 11 a lot. But it's still better than any Linux distro when it comes to desktop applications. By far.

Another aspect that's revealing: There are no companies which sell Linux-based audio workstations for professional use nor are there any technicians to hire in this field. Because nobody knows how to make such systems work on the same level as Windows or MacOS when it comes to performance, stability, durability, compatibility and usability. It would have to be its own custom distro and that would be a waste of time and money.

[ghettosynth]

What's funny is that every time I bring up the next generation Linux technologies that resolve all of the problems that they mention, they are silent and give no response whatsoever. And in Tiles' case, he simply goes back to the same old out dated drivel that he has repeated ad nauseum, like a conspiracy theorist that can't accept reality. I am so thrilled about these next generation technologies, and I love that all of the problems that people complain about have been solved.

For those who are interested in knowing more about what the next generation of Linux is, check out these links (I'm not posting for the haters that aren't interested in actually learning something):



There are several next generation distros out there, but the one that I use is Fedora Silverblue. The new generation of Linux is here now!

So, I haven't commented much (or at all, I can't recall) on this. I think that, at the moment, it's not really a solution for most people who are already comfortable with a distribution, but, in essence, they make containerization a first class citizen within the OS. So, yes, if one is worried mostly about dependency hell, these are a solution because each application has its own version of whatever dependencies it needs. So, they're not going to be space efficient, but for most, I don't think this is a real concern. A bigger problem might be similar kinds of cross application issues that we sometimes see with, e.g., flatpaks. That said, I haven't tried any of these yet so, I'm not sure how valid these concerns may be.

For me, at the moment, the penetration is too low for me to consider them. I know from experience that if you want stability with Linux then you don't want to be on the cutting edge. I may try the fedora ecosystem on one of my spare machines to see how it goes. I have some applications that may work well. I'm absolutely not putting it on my main Linux desktops for now.