Why is modern music so awful

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stoopicus wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:47 am
DCrown wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 6:12 pm
topaz wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 1:35 pm Why is some modern pop music so awful ?

The same reason some pop music has always been aweful.

Next.
Not in the 80ies.
AC/DC
Paul Young
Eurythmics
Sade
Prince
Duran Duran
Madonna
Billy Idol
Tina Turner
Whitney Houston
Depeche Mode
Aerosmith
Franky goes to Hollywood
Dire Straits
Queen
Van Halen
U2
The Police
and hundreds more released great songs and albums during the 80s with completely different genres.
Even though my fav artist was Prince, I liked almost every release no matter what genre. I can't remember whether it was called modern pop back in the day, it was called music, I suppose
The charts of the ‘80s has tons and tons of absolutely awful pop too, in fact much worse than today’s pop. This list is a very rose colored glasses look back and I wouldn’t even classify it all as pop.

I was there, I remember it.

Don’t make me post proof :lol:



L’Trimm there is much more representative of a lot of ‘80s music than most of the list above. It’s just that no one remembers the bad pop, and in fact, I wouldn’t even say they were bad in comparison to pop.
Ok, how many bad productions of the 80s could you show me? 200,,300, 500, 1000?
Now everyday about 45000 new audio files are uploaded on Spotify? Every, day ! And I will show you 44.495 real bad productions every day, not per year or decade!
And I am not referring to sound quality, but creativity, lyrics, arrangement, vocals, bridge etc.
So even assuming 5 songs per day are good is completely wrong, because there aren't 5 x 365 good songs released per year. There are not even 365 great songs per year now!
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DCrown wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:58 pm There are not even 365 great songs per year now!
The fact that you think this simply tells me that you don't have any idea where to look.

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Septimon wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 10:18 pm
Bunny_boy wrote: Thu Aug 22, 2024 6:53 pm



I really like sons of kemet, the guy in the Video was talking about charts and mainstream music.
What he said in the end of the video was, that a lot of good bands do exist (but only very few are succesful in the Mainstream). posting these videos doesn‘t contradict to what he said.
Oh totally: I was thinking that posting jazz wasn't that much of an argument!

But like what has been said and you are saying , it's not that the music has become worse ( but the lyrics have become more simple/ aggressive apparently..?) its the promotion and reach of the music.

With the Beatles, it was a pretty perfect storm of innovation coupled with adulation - in a similar way to now, there were not that many megastars at their time, so they had that gap pretty much to themselves.

Pre-internet, the channels to get music were many but not so diffuse as they are now, which meant that many different artists could become popular.
Now there are so many ways to hear an infinite amount of music that only a handful can reach the zenith - and for whatever reason it feels like one at a time.

(I've probably repeated posts on here - and maybe the guy's actual argument - but I can't be bothered reading it all!)

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Bunny_boy wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 8:15 pm Now there are so many ways to hear an infinite amount of music that only a handful can reach the zenith
Those many ways are just an illusion considering that the whole web and every web service is extremely filtered nowadays. Everything is controlled by algorithms the listener has no control over.

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My music teaching professor once said: Every generation gets the music they deserved!
And I say: If you are not able to see 1 million colors, stay at the 64000 you only can see, and be quiet! And this is not only a problem with todays music. It´s also a problem with todays movies (not all), with todays politics, and todays society!

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stoopicus wrote: Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:47 am Don’t make me post proof :lol:



L’Trimm there is much more representative of a lot of ‘80s music than most of the list above. It’s just that no one remembers the bad pop, and in fact, I wouldn’t even say they were bad in comparison to pop.
Oh, I remember Tigra and Bunny. You're right, that's so bad. I watched it twice to make sure. You guys don't have to watch if you don't want to, my senses have already been assaulted.

Oh, BTW, also from the 80s.



https://www.gq.com/story/oral-history-w ... f-all-time

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WackyZoundz wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 11:49 pm
Bunny_boy wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 8:15 pm Now there are so many ways to hear an infinite amount of music that only a handful can reach the zenith
Those many ways are just an illusion considering that the whole web and every web service is extremely filtered nowadays. Everything is controlled by algorithms the listener has no control over.
For me, mix cloud and bandcamp are just platforms, and don't push music onto me.

I guess with YouTube, Amazon Music, and Spotify you get stuff pushed on you. As far as I'm aware, you can ignore that and search for tunes on all those services. I just search for the music and play it.

I've never had an issue with not finding any music that I've wanted to listen to, and I've never had to listen to music I've not selected.

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PCSRKS wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2024 12:46 am My music teaching professor once said: Every generation gets the music they deserved!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_fallacy

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stoopicus wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 7:53 pm
DCrown wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:58 pm There are not even 365 great songs per year now!
The fact that you think this simply tells me that you don't have any idea where to look.
Please share with us how you personally search for great music.

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The most efficient way to find new and good music (for me) is looking for user-generated genre-based compilations on YouTube. Not playlists but custom albums. Works a hundred times better than Spotify and other services which keep pushing too much crap. It's similar to the mixtapes of the past.

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empphryio wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:12 pm
stoopicus wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 7:53 pm
DCrown wrote: Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:58 pm There are not even 365 great songs per year now!
The fact that you think this simply tells me that you don't have any idea where to look.
Please share with us how you personally search for great music.
I just read magazines and websites that I like for reviews and interviews. Same as when I was a teenager, but then they were all in print.

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I've had some success with this...quantifying buzz through blogging traffic from webcrawling...music went from an access to distribution problem for creators, ...to an access to trusted/valuable curation problem for consumers

https://hypem.com/popular

for instance the first entry right now is Brenda Fassie - Vul'indlela...I have know about this song for decades, but I bet the vast majority of their users have never heard that record in their lives
Music had a one night stand with sound design.....And the condom broke

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empphryio wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2024 1:12 pm Please share with us how you personally search for great music.
Depends on the genre. YouTube can be a great resource - for example, for post-rock, there's a couple great channels of people collecting it. WherePostRockDwells is one good one.

For punk, post-punk, post-metal, and post-hardcore, both Pelagic Records and Deathwish Records are producing a ton of outstanding bands.

4AD Records is still releasing a really outstanding cross-section of artists, from more eclectic pop to more alternative stuff like they always used to.

Synth-focused music is all over the place and if you can't find good electronic music I'm not sure I know what to say to help. It's literally everywhere on Youtube. You almost have to try not to find it.

Post-punk/darkwave - check out Yami Spechie's youtube channel and branch out from there.

And all that is just YouTube.
Bunny_boy wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2024 4:31 pm I just read magazines and websites that I like for reviews and interviews. Same as when I was a teenager, but then they were all in print.
Yeah exactly. It's almost hard not to find.

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I have found YouTube sources to be unreliable. There have been some great techno channels, basically promotion, seemingly that people submitted tracks to.

Problem is they disappear. No doubt getting copyright strikes at some point and being taken down.

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and on top of what stoopicus says above, I'm on the mailing lists for loads of record labels, distributors, and bands so am constantly getting (not) spammed with news of new releases, new artists, events, etc.
Bloody Hyperdub always seem to have excellent nights on in London! Grr

I have no idea about the state of radio outside the UK, but here there is obviously stuff like Radio 1, 1Xtra, Radio 6, Radio 3 (late night R3 is incredible), Resonance FM, etc.

It's Late Junction on R3 at the moment, and it's some proper mental stuff

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