Linux Users, What's You Distro Experience?

[gearwatcher]

I tried to make work Reason 13 and Ableton Live 12 on my Debian 12 machine, they installed with wine but the menues in Reason I cannot use. And Ableton Live 12 installed also, but it hangs, Performance is bad. Although I use a real time kernel. That said, until someone proves to me how I have to install it, that it works flawlessly, I use my Win11.
I have, a good understanding of the terminal, but dealing with VCRs, which is tricky with wine, I do not use it as a music production system, rather than an experimental.

Have you tried installing Logic Pro 11 on Windows instead?

[WackyZoundz]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoX2 ... _VAKgaVIxE

[EnGee]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoX2 ... _VAKgaVIxE

This is a much worst solution than running Ableton Live under Wine in Linux!

If you have Windows 11 and want to use something big like Logic Pro, just buy Cubase Pro and install it! It is the equivalent of Logic Pro (or vice versa) for two decades and half! They were both competing since the late 90's! Otherwise, buy a mac and run Logic Pro natively on it! Why complicate things?

[Largos]

What surprised me is that the performance is not mentioned. So i dug a bit deeper in the ChatGPT oracle. And when it's about ChatGPT then Alsa with Jack can be as performant as Asio. You need to do some customizations though. ChatGPT gives some clear advices here. You need to install a realtime kernel and stuff. Easy peasy. Shouldn't take more than two or three killed linux installations ^^

As a conclusion i will not longer claim that you have a general performance problem at Linux. I stand corrected. This problem just exists in the standard configuration that is unoptimized, and without the realtime kernel.

Couldn't you have done this research before spewing your crap over multiple threads? ... and no, the modifications don't kill installs.

[Largos]

Thank you for showing so clearly the second big problem at Linux. The toxic and unfriendly behaviour once you point at a flaw. No way that you will ever get any useful help.

The Manual at which you so proudly point at is the next sad thing at Linux. The Manpages for the distros are made by nerds and are in big parts not to understand without secret knowledge. In case they contain the needed information at all. Since they usually look like a swiss cheese. Big parts are simply missing. Volunteer work, you know.

And now have a problem in a professional pipeline, with a deadline in your neck, with a project that you need to finish. And imagine that instead of help you will get told how oh so great Linux is, that you do it wrong, that you are too dumb to solve the problem anyways, that you need to read the manual first, and so on. This all will not solve your problem. I have long stopped to ask questions at the Debian forum for exact this reason. Toxic as hell. And the level of useful information goes against zero.

Friends, when you want to convince other people from Linux, do you really think it helps to flame the messengers and go toxic? I can just repeat, the propaganda trick did not work in the last 25 years. Why not test another strategy instead? What about fixing the flaws? And stop lying at the people? Simply saying as it is? Yes it has some flaws, but ... Nobody here has a problem with that part. We all know our naggers.

By the way, you need to understand people on open forums etc are not paid support. They are not sales people for linux either, why should they be convincing others to use Linux? You need to put any pompous self entitled attitude back in the box. You CAN get distros which provide technical support but you have to pay for it. I assume you didn't try that route.

[ghettosynth]

The best part about all of this is that you can adjust into it as slowly as you want, and you don’t have to limit yourself to Fedora. Of course one of several immutable distros will give you the benefit of immutability and Atomic updates, but you can even use your favorite normal distro and get a lot of the benefits by using the following plan:

Thanks, I'm going to go with fedora as the host here as it seems to be furthest along. I did a bit of research on this a while back but I missed a few things. It's more like using wsl (with multiple named Linux installs) than I thought and that will work well for my current need for this machine. Like I've said, I have used other distros for specific applications, I'm not afraid of it, the details will come back to me. Of course, some things have changed, so new stuff to learn, yay!

Also, I want to use Toolbox and, although it seems that it can be installed on Ubuntu/Debian on podman, I like the tight integration with Fedora silverblue. I ran into some dependency issues with it when I thought that I'd try it some time back. I'm not surprised by this, on my development systems I'm often using more obscure stuff where this may happen and I can't just break the system to make something new work.

So, this seems like a good opportunity to try silverblue on a system where it will be low risk.

[ghettosynth]

By the way, you need to understand people on open forums etc are not paid support. They are not sales people for linux either, why should they be convincing others to use Linux? You need to put any pompous self entitled attitude back in the box. You CAN get distros which provide technical support but you have to pay for it. I assume you didn't try that route.

I've told him this point blank. I don't give a f**k if he uses it or not. I think he fails to grok that the vast majority of people who use Linux on a day to day basis could give two shits about noobs wanting to try it out. In fact, I would argue that the entire "Linux community" that is engaged in surface level discussions of endless distro tedium is rather separate from developers, researchers, and sysadmins who use Linux because it's a productive tool.

[audiojunkie]

The best part about all of this is that you can adjust into it as slowly as you want, and you don’t have to limit yourself to Fedora. Of course one of several immutable distros will give you the benefit of immutability and Atomic updates, but you can even use your favorite normal distro and get a lot of the benefits by using the following plan:

Thanks, I'm going to go with fedora as the host here as it seems to be furthest along. I did a bit of research on this a while back but I missed a few things. It's more like using wsl (with multiple named Linux installs) than I thought and that will work well for my current need for this machine. Like I've said, I have used other distros for specific applications, I'm not afraid of it, the details will come back to me. Of course, some things have changed, so new stuff to learn, yay!

Also, I want to use Toolbox and, although it seems that it can be installed on Ubuntu/Debian on podman, I like the tight integration with Fedora silverblue. I ran into some dependency issues with it when I thought that I'd try it some time back. I'm not surprised by this, on my development systems I'm often using more obscure stuff where this may happen and I can't just break the system to make something new work.

So, this seems like a good opportunity to try silverblue on a system where it will be low risk.

I'm with you on the idea of using Toolbx over Distrobox. Distrobox has more features, and is designed for more general use, but like you said, Toolbx is more tightly integrated into Fedora, so that's one of the reasons I prefer it. The other big reason, is that Toolbx has been rewritten in the Go language, which allows it to work better than the POSIX based shell scripting that Distrobox uses. They are two different tools, aimed at two different audiences, doing basically the same thing.

BTW, just in case you didn't know: Fedora Silverblue isn't the only immutable Fedora distro. There are actually four different spins available in the Fedora Atomic Desktops family, where the only difference is the desktop environment offered:

Fedora Silverblue = Gnome
Fedora Kinoite = KDE Plasma
Fedora Budgie = Budgie
Fedora Sway = Sway tiling manager

So, you are in no way tied to using Gnome, if you don't like it. You can use any of these, and they pretty much work the same.

I personally prefer Gnome, and use my 2-in-1 Lenovo Yoga as a tablet as much as a laptop, and Gnome has the best touch support. But others have other preferences, so I wanted to make sure you were aware of your options.

EDIT: BTW, if you are still wanting to do audio on Fedora, I've compiled a guide that may be helpful for you:

https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?t=27121

[audiojunkie]

One of the things that I like about using containers, is that you could totally and completely mess a container up--corrupt it, install mismatched crap into it, totally break it (yes, even with the new generation of Linux, you can break a container if you really want to). And yet, it doesn't touch your base system at all. You can simply delete and reinstall the container and start over. There is very little reason to ever need to reinstall your Linux OS again--unless something like your SSD drive fails on you or something.

Yes, there is more learning curve above and beyond what is normally required for typical Linux usage, but it's not that difficult:

1. You need to learn to use the Flatpak package manager
2. You need to learn Distrobox or Toolbx
3. You need to learn the package manager and special tools of the specific distro for each container you are using. For example, if you are using a Fedora base OS, like Silverblue, and you wanted a container for Arch and Ubuntu, you'd need to learn Pacman and Apt-get and other distro specific tools for those containers.

Over all, there isn't really too much to learn beyond what a normal Linux user has to learn to use a normal Linux distro.

[stanlea]

By the way, you need to understand people on open forums etc are not paid support. They are not sales people for linux either, why should they be convincing others to use Linux? You need to put any pompous self entitled attitude back in the box. You CAN get distros which provide technical support but you have to pay for it. I assume you didn't try that route.

I've told him this point blank. I don't give a f**k if he uses it or not. I think he fails to grok that the vast majority of people who use Linux on a day to day basis could give two shits about noobs wanting to try it out. In fact, I would argue that the entire "Linux community" that is engaged in surface level discussions of endless distro tedium is rather separate from developers, researchers, and sysadmins who use Linux because it's a productive tool.

Or maybe because most of discussions about Linux on KVR are going nuts. Personnaly, I give up.

[Artie Fichelle]

I have never given Fedora a try, but I will, with the Cinnamon desktop. The idea to have a solid system that does not get corrupt, is great. But should Linus Not have stayed with the Posix Idea, instead of creating his linux?

[dellboy]

I installed Fedora Silverblue on my old laptop to try it out, and find the lack of a visible dock odd. It turns out that every time you wish to view the dock, you are required to click in the top left-hand corner to reveal it - which soon becomes annoying. Apparently it can be remedied by downloading Gnome tools and using a fix named "dash to dock", which begs the question as to why Gnome does not just give the option to disable it without going through this long-winded route.

[questionaire]

Linux user here i'm running Kubuntu 24.04 LTS and installed the Ubuntu studio controls package. And installed low latency kernel. Running Bitwig. This is by far the most stable Ubuntu i have run in years. A lot of VST's i have yabridged with succes. To name a few:
Redline Monitor, Fabfilter Saturator/Twin/Pro Q/Pro C2/Timeless, Voxengo Boogex, Eventide, EZdrummer, Phaseplant, MODO bass, Neural DSP Nolly, Kuassa Cerberus, Pigments, Microfreak, KORG triton, New sonic arts Vice and native Linux VST's , Uhe Repro, Zebra, Diva, Colourcopy. Tal plugs, Audiodamage Discord.

Really happy Linux user i will never return to Windows again.

[audiojunkie]

I installed Fedora Silverblue on my old laptop to try it out, and find the lack of a visible dock odd. It turns out that every time you wish to view the dock, you are required to click in the top left-hand corner to reveal it - which soon becomes annoying. Apparently it can be remedied by downloading Gnome tools and using a fix named "dash to dock", which begs the question as to why Gnome does not just give the option to disable it without going through this long-winded route.

That’s just the way Gnome is—very minimal as far as desktops go. The beauty of Linux though, is that you can simply choose a different desktop environment—one that suits you.

[dellboy]

I installed Fedora Silverblue on my old laptop to try it out, and find the lack of a visible dock odd. It turns out that every time you wish to view the dock, you are required to click in the top left-hand corner to reveal it - which soon becomes annoying. Apparently it can be remedied by downloading Gnome tools and using a fix named "dash to dock", which begs the question as to why Gnome does not just give the option to disable it without going through this long-winded route.

That’s just the way Gnome is—very minimal as far as desktops go. The beauty of Linux though, is that you can simply choose a different desktop environment—one that suits you.

I will stick with it and see if it can be tweaked to make it to my liking. I find the decisions that Gnome has made odd, though. As well as having to install Gnome tools, I had to install "Gnome tweaks" just to get a minimize button in Firefox. And it used to be said that Linux does not need restarting to install stuff, but it does now. I have restarted twice to install updates.

The good news is that I downloaded the Bitwig flatpak demo, installed it, plugged in my i-rig keyboard and headphones and was playing the Polymer synth in a couple of minutes with no crackles and good latency - and this laptop is a ten year old i3!