Thinking about a new Centerpiece Synth for my Studio

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Update: purchase made (Oberheim OB-X8) :wheee:

TLDR: I plan on replacing my OG PolyBrute and I'm leaning toward an OB-X8 or possibly a Prophet 6 or Rev2 keys. Looking for input or other suggestions from other hardware synth users.

I typically can make this type of decision on my own without advice from other people, but I've been struggling for a while to decide on a synth to replace my OG 6-voice PolyBrute as my main controller and centerpiece of my studio (i.e., the synth that sits between me and my DAW and is used to play my synth modules). The PB has filled this role for a few years now, but I've pretty much stopped using it as a synth because I prefer the tones of my other synths and a few other reasons. Don't get me wrong, it's a fantastic synth with so many great features and it sounds great at so many things, but it just doesn't excel at the sounds I make and use, and I'll just leave it at that.

I should mention that I am a trained keyboardist/pianist, so keyboard action is an important consideration. That said, I've used my PolyBrute for years, which has an action that most people hate, but I was OK with it (I actually like the way the AT responds with its synth engine). But, my preference will always be for a Fatar keybed, though, and that will be a factor in my decision.

I'm primarily interested in either analog or analog/digital hybrids (I've got digital synths covered in spades, and then some), which also means that I'm not interested in anything from Roland, Korg, Kurzweil, or Yamaha. So, I've been trying to decide on a synth with keys to become my main go-to synth and controller and basically be the centerpiece of my studio. I also am not looking for a MIDI controller - I want a synth that doubles as a controller for my other synth modules.

OK, OK, I'll get to the damn point now! My budget is preferably up to around $4K. Here are some that I've been considering:

PolyBrute 12 - I'll just get this out of the way right now - it's not a contender. The improved keybed and voice count are appealing, but it's the same synth engine as my PB6, so I'd be adrift in the same boat I'm currently in. And, while I love the Morphee, I don't like the pitch and mod wheel located above the keybed, since I rely on them a lot when controlling my other hardware and, because of where the synth sits on my desktop, it's a pretty long and awkward reach to use them effectively. Next.

Prophet 6/Trigon 6/OB-6 - I have all three modules and they are by far my most used poly synths. I would consider replacing one of them with the keyboard version (likely the Prophet 6) to get that awesome Fatar keybed, but 49 keys is the limiting factor here. I haven't ruled it out, but I really want 61 keys and this thread would not even exist if a 61-key P6 was available.

Prophet Rev2 - Again, I have the 16-voice module and love it. The keys version is very appealing because of the Fatar keybed with 61 keys, but I hate that the pitch and mod wheels are above the keys. I want them to the left for the reasons stated above, but it's not necessarily a deal breaker.

Oberheim OB-X8 - I've never owned one, but with the current sale, it's certainly high on my radar. Fatar keybed with 61 keys is very appealing. I'm not sure about the paddles as opposed to wheels, but I think I'd adapt pretty readily. The sound is pretty fantastic,...OK, it's beyond fantastic. It seems like it's a bit larger than my PB, but that shouldn't be an issue. It's still expensive with the sale, but still within my budget. No on-board effects, which I normally prefer, but I have other solutions and can live with that. Rant time...the only thing about it that bothers me is their stupid, and I mean absolutely moronic and stubborn, implementation of the original OB-series arp (it's so bad that a user had to create a third-party "user manual" to help people understand how it "works"). Yes, I can get around that with Logic's stellar arp plugin, but I use arps a lot and having one onboard that is so clunky and unusable in a $4K synth just really bugs me. OK, rant over, I've calmed back down, breathed a heavy sigh, and the OB-X8 is actually pretty high on my list.

Prophet 5/10 - The Prophet sound is and has always been my favorite, but I've already got the Prophet sound covered to my liking with my P6 and Rev2, I'm not about to part with either of them, and I don't really care about the additional 2% perceived improvement in sound that people claim the P5/P10 has. That said, it's a gorgeous synth that undoubtedly would be a pleasure to play and would certainly be a stunning centerpiece of my studio and I have the option of 10 voices (but 5 would be plenty for my needs), but I just don't see a justification in adding it. Also, the lack of any transpose buttons on the front panel is a big con - it's probably fine when I'm playing the Prophet itself, but when I'm controlling other hardware synths, that could be a nuisance. Bottom line, though, is that I don't need three flavors of Prophet, even as much as I love it.

Waldorf Quantum - I've given a LOT of consideration to both the mk1 and mk2, but I've seen far too many reports of bad screens, DOA units, and other issues. I've decided to avoid anything recent from Waldorf like the plague (including the 49-key Iridium). Yes, the Quantum mk2 seems to be better, but $6K is a lot of money for something that I'd probably only use 20% of - the VA engine sounds great and it's truly a beautiful looking synth, but it's really digital in nature and not what I want in a centerpiece synth.

Novation Summit - I owned a Peak for a while and it was great, but sold it because I hardly ever used it simply because I liked my other synths better. I've never touched a Summit, but I hear the keybed is nice even though it is not a Fatar (not necessarily a deal breaker). However, I just feel like I'd be in the same boat as I am with my PolyBrute, i.e., using it as an overpriced controller for other synths that I prefer, and that certainly would be a deal breaker.

Moog Muse - looks OK, great feature set, sounds fine, but not $3.5K fine to me and that smeared Muse sound grates on me the way my old Sub37 and Subsequent37 did. Not interested. Next.

Korg Prologue - sounds good, but I just don't love it, PW/MW above the keybed, some intangible things, yada yada yada, it looks kinda fugly with the banana-shaped wood ends, and just not not what I want as my studio centerpiece/main controller.

Others I should consider? :shrug:
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The display on my Quantum is not as responsive as the ones on the new models but other than that I've not had any issues, it's been my main keyboard synth since 2018. I plan to upgrade to a mk2 at some point. I have also heard of some issues with Waldorf keyboards and I wouldn't want to diminish the experiences of others.

I've heard nothing but raves about the Groove Synthesis 3rd Wave. Also Udo synths seem to have their fans. I've come close to getting a Nord Wave a few times (but I'm happy with my Rack 2). People who have used them tend to praise the keybed and performance controls. Maybe a Prophet X if you can find one?

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What about the Expressive E Osmose. Ver.2 of the OS just came out.

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Based on a few things you said about ergonomics:

Yamaha CK61
Roland JD-XA

But I would never talk anyone out of getting an OB-X8.

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No aftertouch on the Prologue 16, which I own, but it sounds fantastic, if a bit simple
The build quality and keyboard feels good, lighter and faster than my Trigon-6
The pitch wheels feel thin and cheap though....
Great ARP on it, closest I've gotten to the type of sequences and sounds I get from the Jupiter 8

https://soundcloud.com/coolcolj/korg-pr ... atched-arp


Maybe a 3rd Wave?
No Poly AT though
I have the desktop and it sounds pretty damn good. Syrupy Prophet filters, well same chip, but it doesn't sound the same.

https://soundcloud.com/coolcolj/groove- ... dreamy-arp

https://soundcloud.com/coolcolj/groove- ... seq-noodle

https://soundcloud.com/coolcolj/3rd-wav ... d-trigon-6

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Thanks for all the thoughts, guys. Now, let me shoot them all down. :dog: :hihi:
justin3am wrote: Wed Sep 04, 2024 11:37 pm I've heard nothing but raves about the Groove Synthesis 3rd Wave. Also Udo synths seem to have their fans. I've come close to getting a Nord Wave a few times (but I'm happy with my Rack 2). People who have used them tend to praise the keybed and performance controls. Maybe a Prophet X if you can find one?
All good thoughts, but I really do NOT want a wavetable synth. The only one I've ever owned or heard that I really like is my Blofeld, which is currently for sale (although I might change my mind about selling it). I looked at the Prophet X, but it's not my cup-o-tea. The Prophet 12 would be another one that I hadn't thought much about, though, hmmmmm...

I actually do have a UDO Super 6 desktop on the way. I've been a bit ambivalent about it, but got a good enough deal that I can resell it at no loss (or profit) if I don't like it. I wouldn't want the keyboard version, though. It's too unorthodox for my main choice of synth, no screen and other limitations, and I sorta hate combo mod/pitch sticks. I do think the S6's implementation is nice, though, in that you can detach the pitch modulation, but it also has a very short throw in the vertical direction. It's just not what I would want to have my hands on for most of my work.
Uncle E wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 5:30 am Yamaha CK61
Roland JD-XA
I have no interest in anything from Roland or Yamaha, sorry.
Constructed Identity wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 3:27 am What about the Expressive E Osmose. Ver.2 of the OS just came out.
Sorry, very much not interested in that. It's basically the exact opposite of what I'm looking for.
CoolColJ wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 9:44 am No aftertouch on the Prologue 16, w
Maybe a 3rd Wave?
No Poly AT though
I have the desktop and it sounds pretty damn good. Syrupy Prophet filters, well same chip, but it doesn't sound the same.
Good thoughts, but no AT on the Prologue is just one of many non-starters for me. It's scratched off the list. On that note, I forgot to mention that poly AT would be a nice benefit, but it's not really a factor in my decision. I should also mention that I really did give the 3rd Wave a good look and actually meant to include it in my OP, but everything I heard from it sounded absolutely harsh and horrible to my ears. I just tend to dislike the sound of most wavetable synths. I don't mind wavetable synthesis as an add-on, but not as the primary synthesis type and certainly not as my main controller.
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Uncle E wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 5:30 am But I would never talk anyone out of getting an OB-X8.
OK, but, could you talk me into it, please? :lol:

Honestly, the OB-X8 is actually my leading candidate. I just want to give it a little time before making the decision because I'm currently experiencing some heavy GAS for it and I want to make sure it's not clouding my judgment before dropping $4K. It's funny, I've never really fancied myself as an Oberheim guy, but everything I hear from that synth sounds pretty amazing to me and it checks most of my boxes.

That said, I could always go with the desktop OB-X8 and a different synth as my main controller, but it would probably end up costing around the same amount and feels like a compromise that would not check all of my boxes.
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cryophonik wrote: Thu Sep 05, 2024 4:34 pm Honestly, the OB-X8 is actually my leading candidate. I just want to give it a little time before making the decision because I'm currently experiencing some heavy GAS for it and I want to make sure it's not clouding my judgment before dropping $4K. It's funny, I've never really fancied myself as an Oberheim guy, but everything I hear from that synth sounds pretty amazing to me and it checks most of my boxes.
It sounds like you'll like the OB-8 oscillators and filter. They're softer and more Prophet-5-like than the OB-X/OB-Xa ones. Or maybe that's a negative for you, given your other synths? Personally, that's why I like the OB-X8 more than the OB-Xa.
That said, I could always go with the desktop OB-X8 and a different synth as my main controller, but it would probably end up costing around the same amount and feels like a compromise that would not check all of my boxes.
Also, keyboard is discounted $1,000 and module is discounted $700.

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OK, decision made! I pretty much had decided on the OB-X8, then thought I’d take a look around to see if any were available locally and, as luck would have it, there was. The best part is that it was the same guy that sold me my PolyBrute a few years ago! :lol: Anyway, I got a great deal and it looks and sounds amazing. I’ll check back in a few months when the honeymoon is over. :phones:
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