The bs of Pro DAWs Vs amateur DAWs

[VOODOO U]

Question: How do you record a live MIDI performance in a tracker including modulation and pitchbending?

With your hands.

Why does everything made with a tracker sounds like it has been made with a tracker?

I know right? Why can't a ukulele have a bigger neck and more strings so that you can play hardcore metal and funk? It's like, all ukulele music sounds like it was made with a ukulele.

[VOODOO U]

you can't do with trackers anything beyond simple sequence programming. No audio recording, no audio clip editing,

You can't do audio recording and editing with piano rolls either.

no mixing, no mastering, not to mention third-party plugin support.

Depends on the app.

Trackers are fine as a musicial instrument if you go for that typical tracker lo-fi sound as a result of its technical limitations. But they're just toys compared to DAWs like Logic, Reaper, FL Studio, Cubase, Pro Tools and so on.

Turntables are toys that hip hop artists and DJs made serious money with.

[harryupbabble]

what ukelele music?
tiny tim and don ho

[WackyZoundz]

Daw makers try to add stuff all the time to make you buy upgrades, and on top you get bug fixes too to a degree, which we software fools fall for not requiring a fully functional product to start with.

Another bogus argument. No software or hardware is perfect.

[VariKusBrainZ]

When a developer stops releasing any kind of update KVR labels it abandoneware

[VOODOO U]

No software or hardware is perfect.

Exactly. So stop whining about tracker software.

[WackyZoundz]

Still waiting for a logical argument why trackers can be considered to be on par with all the "big" DAWs. I would also like to hear something made with a tracker that does not sound like tracker music.

[machinesworking]

Still waiting for a logical argument why trackers can be considered to be on par with all the "big" DAWs. I would also like to hear something made with a tracker that does not sound like tracker music.

This has to be one of the most awkward comparisons I've seen in a day or so. Trackers are essentially instruments and sequencers, much like a guitar they have a "sound" they gear you towards certain playing styles. DAWs in the sense you're using the term for, are MIDI and audio recording devices, hardly instruments at all. The fact that both can do similar things is no reason to overlook this basic difference.

If you're arguing that tracker music isn't good music, that's all you. I'm not a fan of Nu Metal, Country, most Opera etc. but I would never say they are amateur etc.

[Uncle E]

Question: How do you record a live MIDI performance in a tracker including modulation and pitchbending? How do you even program pitchbending in a tracker? How do you program swing? Or polyrhythms? And where are all the Rock/Metal/Jazz/Classic compositions made with trackers, with varying BPM and a large dynamic range? Why does everything made with a tracker sounds like it has been made with a tracker?

There's at least one major producer out there who didn't know how to set or turn off the auto-quantize in his MPC. Every track was rigidly quantized to 16th notes. He was more successful than any of us.

[MrJubbly]

I would like to know what makes step sequencing so great in trackers. Programming a tracker sequence is slow and unintuitive compared to the step sequencer in FL Studio (for example). Nothing wrong with nostalgia but trackers are very limited as a matter of fact, even when it comes to step sequencing itself.

As somebody who has used FL Studio for 20+ years and has also used music trackers since the late 1980s. I can tell you that your statement is incorrect.

Expert tracker users are just as fluent and efficient with recording and programming notes into music trackers, as the most experienced DAW users are when using even one of the most capable Piano roll editors, such as FL Studio's (and that's including all the tons of time-saving short cuts, keyboard modifiers and mouse gestures, of which I am also well-versed in).

As for FL Studio's step sequencer, that is even more limited than its Piano Roll, which itself is more limited than many/most capable music trackers.

There are certain things which are even easier and quicker to achieve and precisely "dial in" within a capable music tracker, that take longer or are more difficult to replicate within a standard DAW Piano roll.

Again, like with many other things, it mostly comes down to the level of competency, experience and talent of the workman themselves, rather than the particular tools they opt to use.

[vurt]

Question: How do you record a live MIDI performance in a tracker including modulation and pitchbending? How do you even program pitchbending in a tracker? How do you program swing? Or polyrhythms? And where are all the Rock/Metal/Jazz/Classic compositions made with trackers, with varying BPM and a large dynamic range? Why does everything made with a tracker sounds like it has been made with a tracker?

There's at least one major producer out there who didn't know how to set or turn off the auto-quantize in his MPC. Every track was rigidly quantized to 16th notes. He was more successful than any of us.

paul hardcastle?

[Beazlebug]

Still waiting for a logical argument why trackers can be considered to be on par with all the "big" DAWs. I would also like to hear something made with a tracker that does not sound like tracker music.

This? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fX4qoruQik

[Uncle E]

paul hardcastle?

No and I wouldn't say even if it was him.

[THE INTRANCER]

I remember the times when we used trackers on Amiga, later on PC. For example, check this :

Great times, software that looks primitive today. I think what one ultimately needs is a glorified tape recorder plus talent.

The grey GUI version of the Sound Tracker program you highlighted was the first program I loaded into my first Amiga 500 computer which I bought second hand in June of 1994 vie my brothers work mate who also served in the RAF. I bought the Amiga 500 after killing my Mega ST vie a silly attempt to try and connect a colour TV to it. I actually spent a year with the Mega ST1 which had an additional hard disk (albeit tiny in storage size) but with a massive metal casing for it. I didn't ever get round to connecting any keyboard synth to it despite having midi sockets. Two months after acquiring my Amiga 500 I spent many years using an unexpanded Amiga 1200 which I still have and working on my desk today. Graphics, music production and gaming, it was and is still today, a lovely computer to have.

I found this recently posted video which is pretty cool, showing the ST doing it's thing. Depeche Mode - Enjoy The Silence

https://youtu.be/ekA9s5ugt3A?si=7DLYbE-dEsRO9Q-2

[Uncle E]

Sound Tracker + Amiga very professional. Nord Modular, not so much.