The bs of Pro DAWs Vs amateur DAWs

[rod_zero]

These days it is rarely an argument, ten-15 years ago when ProTools was very expensive and used hardware this argument was way more common, specially against FL and Live and Reason to some extent.

[Jac459]

Agreed. Snobisme...

[machinesworking]

If you would actually read what I wrote instead of just waiting to throw the next bogus argument at me to "win" you would have read that I was talking about the sound, not the music. You can create (at least theoretically) complex music with trackers but the sound is very limited. That's why you have to trick and adapt the music itself. That limited sound is okay if you go for that oldschool lo-fi vibe (as I already wrote). But you can't go beyond that. Is it really that hard to understand that you can drive a car as slow as a bike but a bike never as fast as a car? Just to make sure: The bike stands for trackers, the car for "big" DAWs.

See this is the problem, you literally don't know what you're talking about. Modern Trackers can use VSTi's, AUi's even. There is no difference in "sound". People are choosing Lofi etc. Someone posted Venetian Snares earlier in this thread. He's using orchestral samples, the whole bit. All in Renoise.

So there you go, in terms of composing, you admit they're capable, and because almost all modern trackers can use any VST or AU, there is no "sound". Just give it up, it was always a weird point.

[legendCNCD]

Didn't this one guy make his first release on trackers? Disco -something... sorry really cannot remember
Anyway, Hitting trackers in '86-'87 I can still remember shortcuts and keys on pt/ft compatible keymap using trackers.
Wanna make 4/4 bassdrum? CTRL+4, press the bassdrum sample note and keep it pressed. Voila, took 2 seconds, you have beat. Ahh.

[jonljacobi]

If the music is in your head, then it makes no difference what you use to get it out to the world. If it isn't, well...

[THE INTRANCER]

If you are in disagreement with me in any way big or small, I am doing the right thing.

OT
I don't have to agree or disagree with you, the popularity statistics for my threads speak for themselves. 90K, 30K, 20K, 10K, 5K are view figures you can find on them but not always.

On topic:

I think that one of great things about using old Amiga's is that, should you have the necessary peripherals, you can take this old software and hardware and integrate it with both old / modern equipment and effects. I hope to have my own Amiga 1200 properly setup with my expanded custom built desk, when I get the rest of my room /house decorated after new insulation/heat-pump/solar panels are fitted. No time for music these days.

Here's another fairly recent thread about Amiga / Atari here.

[pekbro]

Popularity? you really do believe that don't you? Well good for you then, I guess that's better than believing folks see you as a nut... good job

[jamcat]

I believe both.

[dionenoid]

Didn't this one guy make his first release on trackers? Disco -something... sorry really cannot remember

Yeah that guy. He also banged some chick called Taylor - something... apparently reasonably famous these days

[EfreetiSultan]

They include the instruments/functions necessary to create tracker sound.

//... You can create (at least theoretically) complex music with trackers but the sound is very limited. That's why you have to trick and adapt the music itself. That limited sound is okay if you go for that oldschool lo-fi vibe (as I already wrote). But you can't go beyond that.

Wtf did I just read imagine being so wrong and so sure, at the same time. Considering trackers can use both high quality waves and vsti, it would "sound" the exact same as another daw

[VOODOO U]

Popularity? you really do believe that don't you? Well good for you then, I guess that's better than believing folks see you as a nut... good job

Yeah we all knew his intentions for posting was for popularity reasons with no sincerity about actually wanting to know the questions he was asking in his stupid threads. And now, straight from that donkey ass mouth, he confirmed it.

[WackyZoundz]

So there you go, in terms of composing, you admit they're capable

You can make good music with a simple wooden stick hitting a trash can. But you can't make it sound like a drum set.

[WackyZoundz]

And still no example of tracker music that does not sound like tracker music. I want to hear something that is not some sort of perfectly quantized lo-fi techno. Something that sounds like a real band performing with real instruments featuring all those typical velocity/timing/pitch variations.

[THE INTRANCER]

Popularity? you really do believe that don't you? Well good for you then, I guess that's better than believing folks see you as a nut... good job

Yeah we all knew his intentions for posting was for popularity reasons with no sincerity about actually wanting to know the questions he was asking in his stupid threads. And now, straight from that donkey ass mouth, he confirmed it.

Oh, come on lighten up, , you've not even been here a year. You think you know me but you really don't. Oh and just to stay on topic in regard to the OP opening post, I actually had the opportunity to work FOH (front of house) at the Amex Stadium near Brighton (England) in 2012 in front of Norman Cook (Fatboy Sim), the legend Carl Cox and others with a triple A pass (that means ,access all areas). Now with being far away from the stage and having laser lights flashing and smoke everywhere, I couldn't really make out whether Norman Cook used an Atari ST on stage or not with an array of huge screens to help me, but what I can say, it was feking loud at 120dB, and pretty amazing. Fortunately, I had a hearing protection radio mic to communicate whilst I worked and enjoyed the show. Photos of me there are on my website, and I still have the blue and yellow triple A Pass / necklace. It's pretty mad to get payed to watch and enjoy a show where others pay to see it.

[_leras]

People are choosing Lofi etc. Someone posted Venetian Snares earlier in this thread. He's using orchestral samples, the whole bit. All in Renoise.

So there you go, in terms of composing, you admit they're capable, and because almost all modern trackers can use any VST or AU, there is no "sound". Just give it up, it was always a weird point.

Sounds more like using renoise as an instrument. Worth trying different ways to make one record music for sure. Doesn't make renoise a DAW though.

Definitely there are 'pro' features that not all DAWs have. How useful they are depends on how you are using your DAW.

Cubase has features like control room, and a ton multi channel editing features. Definitely Pro if you're trying to record a band. Many people may not need it though.