Integra 7 VST

[djmino02]

Anybody use the Integra 7 VST to control the Integra 7?

I hear the sounds from the Integra 7 in Zenology aren't near as crystallized sounding. And the comparisons I've heard the Integra 7 sounds way better to me.

[flugel45]

I wasn't aware they're was an "Integra-7 VST". A Google search of this only shows the hardware unit.

I happened to be researching this about a week ago and ran across this post which you may be interested in (It's recent, dated Aug 24 2024): https://vi-control.net/community/thread ... st-5591721

[flugel45]

Duplicate

[flugel45]

Mod help!

[flugel45]

Damit, duped again!

[gentleclockdivider]

There are 2 integra editors , one by sakura the other by Roland ( vst3 )
The integra sounds great , don't have any experience with the later zenology stuff so can't comment on that .
I did compare my integra ( pcm engine ) with the cloud jv1080-5080 and they were identical sounding with the exception of some some of the effetcs which appeared to be better on the software , especially the pitch shifter effect

[djmino02]

The vst controls the Integra 7 hardware unit

[D-Fusion]

There are 2 integra editors , one by sakura the other by Roland ( vst3 )
The integra sounds great , don't have any experience with the later zenology stuff so can't comment on that .
I did compare my integra ( pcm engine ) with the cloud jv1080-5080 and they were identical sounding with the exception of some some of the effetcs which appeared to be better on the software , especially the pitch shifter effect

Zenology Pro sounds the same when it comes to the PCM Sounds and the minor differences are in the Effects used between The HW and Zenology Pro.

Zenology Pro didn't have Reverb until V2 which helped allot.
There is a big difference When it comes to the Supernatural synth and the Zen Core Synth and that is in the Waveforms.

The Zen core has 1 type of Waveform while the Supernatural synth engine has 3 variations of every Waveform to choose from named a,b or c but you can change the Waveforms in all kind of ways in the Zen core VA panel that you can't do with the supernatural engine.

I do believe you can find the same waveforms if you replace the VA waveform in the Zen Core synth With some of the PCM Waveforms that has a,b,c versions.

[gentleclockdivider]

The vst controls the Integra 7 hardware unit

Really ...

[gentleclockdivider]

There are 2 integra editors , one by sakura the other by Roland ( vst3 )
The integra sounds great , don't have any experience with the later zenology stuff so can't comment on that .
I did compare my integra ( pcm engine ) with the cloud jv1080-5080 and they were identical sounding with the exception of some some of the effetcs which appeared to be better on the software , especially the pitch shifter effect

Zenology Pro sounds the same when it comes to the PCM Sounds and the minor differences are in the Effects used between The HW and Zenology Pro.

Zenology Pro didn't have Reverb until V2 which helped allot.
There is a big difference When it comes to the Supernatural synth and the Zen Core Synth and that is in the Waveforms.

The Zen core has 1 type of Waveform while the Supernatural synth engine has 3 variations of every Waveform to choose from named a,b or c but you can change the Waveforms in all kind of ways in the Zen core VA panel that you can't do with the supernatural engine.

I do believe you can find the same waveforms if you replace the VA waveform in the Zen Core synth With some of the PCM Waveforms that has a,b,c versions.

There are more differences , zencore is the amalgation of the pcm engine + sns
Zenology pro misses some of the ringmod configurations and it misses the hard clipper/booster effect(structure 3-4) which can be put in between partial filters or pre both filters
Some serious stuff can be achieved when the first filter is a resonant highpass going into clipper going into the second filter
Can't be done on zenology , same as 2 or 3 ringmod configs
The zencore engine is essentially the basic structure of the pcm emgine ( minus some routings explained above ) + some real va thrown in ( osc sync , real pulse with , phase modulation etc) and some decent filters ( still not sure if these are the same as the sns )
The va (sns) on the Integra is lacklustre but the filters do sound great (jupiter 80 , jupiter 8, moog , prophet 5) .
The zencore also has the awfull sampled based supersaw ( what the f where they thinking at Roland )
These are the available structures on the pre zencore romplers ( including integra pcm engine)

[D-Fusion]

There are 2 integra editors , one by sakura the other by Roland ( vst3 )
The integra sounds great , don't have any experience with the later zenology stuff so can't comment on that .
I did compare my integra ( pcm engine ) with the cloud jv1080-5080 and they were identical sounding with the exception of some some of the effetcs which appeared to be better on the software , especially the pitch shifter effect

Zenology Pro sounds the same when it comes to the PCM Sounds and the minor differences are in the Effects used between The HW and Zenology Pro.

Zenology Pro didn't have Reverb until V2 which helped allot.
There is a big difference When it comes to the Supernatural synth and the Zen Core Synth and that is in the Waveforms.

The Zen core has 1 type of Waveform while the Supernatural synth engine has 3 variations of every Waveform to choose from named a,b or c but you can change the Waveforms in all kind of ways in the Zen core VA panel that you can't do with the supernatural engine.

I do believe you can find the same waveforms if you replace the VA waveform in the Zen Core synth With some of the PCM Waveforms that has a,b,c versions.

There are more differences , zencore is the amalgation of the pcm engine + sns
Zenology pro misses some of the ringmod configurations and it misses the hard clipper/booster effect(structure 3-4) which can be put in between partial filters or pre both filters
Some serious stuff can be achieved when the first filter is a resonant highpass going into clipper going into the second filter
Can't be done on zenology , same as 2 or 3 ringmod configs
The zencore engine is essentially the basic structure of the pcm emgine ( minus some routings explained above ) + some real va thrown in ( osc sync , real pulse with , phase modulation etc) and some decent filters ( still not sure if these are the same as the sns )
The va (sns) on the Integra is lacklustre but the filters do sound great (jupiter 80 , jupiter 8, moog , prophet 5) .
The zencore also has the awfull sampled based supersaw ( what the f where they thinking at Roland )
These are the available structures on the pre zencore romplers ( including integra pcm engine)

That is correct
I did just touch on the Basics or my Post would be to long so happy to see that you filled out the rest

I do like both as their own thing because of their differences in what they can do and i do agree.
The Supersaw is the same on both and I wouldn't Mind it if they did it properly as it sounds very mono and flat and horrible with no energy behind it compared to the real deal.

[audiojunkie]

There are 2 integra editors , one by sakura the other by Roland ( vst3 )
The integra sounds great , don't have any experience with the later zenology stuff so can't comment on that .
I did compare my integra ( pcm engine ) with the cloud jv1080-5080 and they were identical sounding with the exception of some some of the effetcs which appeared to be better on the software , especially the pitch shifter effect

Three, actually. Midi Quest 13 users have access to the "in development" Integra-7 editor that is mostly done and quite usable:

https://gearspace.com/board/music-compu ... quest.html

"There is an Integra-7 editor in development and a healthy number of MQ13 owners are currently working with it. The supernatural editors need to be created but the remainder of the editor is done. If you purchase MQ, just request it and we'll email it to you."

The Midi Quest 13 Pro users have access to Stand-alone and Plug-in versions for VST3, VST2, AU, AXX, and MFX.

[djmino02]

I've heard lots of comparisons of the M1 to the M1 VST and it sounds the same to me but when I hear the difference between the Integra 7 and the Zenology Pro VST I can hear a huge difference.

There's definitely like a crystallized sound to the Integra that Zenology doesn't have.

[gentleclockdivider]

There are 2 integra editors , one by sakura the other by Roland ( vst3 )
The integra sounds great , don't have any experience with the later zenology stuff so can't comment on that .
I did compare my integra ( pcm engine ) with the cloud jv1080-5080 and they were identical sounding with the exception of some some of the effetcs which appeared to be better on the software , especially the pitch shifter effect

Three, actually. Midi Quest 13 users have access to the "in development" Integra-7 editor that is mostly done and quite usable:

https://gearspace.com/board/music-compu ... quest.html

"There is an Integra-7 editor in development and a healthy number of MQ13 owners are currently working with it. The supernatural editors need to be created but the remainder of the editor is done. If you purchase MQ, just request it and we'll email it to you."

The Midi Quest 13 Pro users have access to Stand-alone and Plug-in versions for VST3, VST2, AU, AXX, and MFX.

Well Four actually , the one that I made but you need loomer architect .
It's the pcm engine only , but I made a separate one for the sns engine and both can run as a vst ( since loomer architect can run as a vst )
Spend a few days doing verry repetetive work , lot's of sysex messages
Best of all , it's free ( but you need loomer architect )
I am contemplating the idea of redoing it for Plug (pure) data so everyone can use it , but the mere thought of doing the hundreds of sysex messages all over again , hell no
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And the supernatural one


And the effect section

[Bavanity]

I was thinking of selling my Integra as there's no aax editor - I could previously work around it with Patchwork or Metaplugin but now I won't be able to cause no Apple Silicon of the VST! So I thought I'd be able to replace all of it *bar* the Supernatural sounds (I do have a supernatural Roland midi kb also) with the XV5080 in the cloud.

Therefore this topic was very interesting to read.

Am I to understand that many or all of the Integra supernatural sounds have been translated, with varying degrees of success, to the Zenology plugin? I have never subbed to RC so I am not sure about any of this, hence asking.

Is there any technical reason why they just couldn't fully clone the integra in a plugin?

Am I correct that the 5080 will have all the non supernatural sounds?

Are any of the Zenology supernatural conversions "good enough", and how much of the library have they ported?

TIA, much