Roland Cloud

[Septic Underground]

It was unbearable when I was an ultimate subber (installed all packs until last april)Now I only have a free account, not payed, load time stayed the same.
almost 45 sec on both a MacPro2019 I had before and now on my M2Ultra studio. It has to do with what is on your drive and checks against it online.

It totally has to do with DRM checks of each and every expansion installed for the Zenology.

But not anymore, I switched to Korg triton Extreme AU and guess what, instaloads, good enough for the bread and butter sounds and I also have a lot of UVI stuff. I am good.

Its a shame really because I grew up on Roland romplers, from the 1080to the integra7.

Zenology Pro could be a killer plugin it the GUI was somehow a bit more....erm pro... and fiexed that totally insane loading times. And having to buy waveexpansions even if I have the SRX lifetime keys of the same shit. But after 7 years+ I have given up.

But even with normal loading times, adding all the basic wavexpansions it add up very quick (pricewise). I do not need the analogue icons stuff. I have TAL and Softube for that

[audiojunkie]

Defrag isn’t needed with SSD technology.

But what if you don't have an SSD? I have three different drives in my main studio PC. Two are SSD and one is not. I also run Audiogridder and use multiple old computers to use their CPU and RAM to run the DSP for them off of my main studio PC

A program like Zenology Pro would work great on one of my old work laptops running Windows 7 with a 500GB hard drive, a 10 year old I7, and 16gb of RAM. That hard drive is not SSD and runs at 5200 RPM. I currently run Omnisphere on one and Korg Triton Extreme on another, but run them remotely through Audiogridder on my DAW

OK. I agree with you. If one is using an old hard drive based on platters, then yes, drefrag is "essential". But if one is using newer technology, such as SSD or better, defrag is "harmful", because there are only a limited number of writes available with the newer technology. So, with that clarification ("...if you don't have an SSD..."), I'm in complete agreement.

[EfreetiSultan]

Defrag does not help and it's a stupid suggestion. It was overrated in 1998, nonsensical in 2005 and redundant after that.
Try it yourself. Do a before and after test if you don't believe me.
As far as ssd, defrag isn't even avaliable. You couldn't defrag an ssd even if you tried.

[Jon at Roland]

Roland lost my respect when I bought two yes two new Fantoms for our studios and shows. A 88 and a 76 key, and they had the disrespect after two years of me subscribing to their Pro sub, that I didn’t get the free plugin pick. Literally dropped them the minute tech support replied.

Hey trusampler, I work for Roland Cloud. I'm confused as to what the issue is. Did you sign up for Play 4 Life and not receive your instrument?

[IvyBirds]

Defrag does not help and it's a stupid suggestion. It was overrated in 1998, nonsensical in 2005 and redundant after that.
Try it yourself. Do a before and after test if you don't believe me.
As far as ssd, defrag isn't even avaliable. You couldn't defrag an ssd even if you tried.

Awesome let's all argue about defragging a hard drive then we can talk about how many angels fit in the head of a pin

Defrag has worked for me in the past with non SSD drives, but I am a Dinosaur who has had computers since the early 80s. But I get it, I should have specified that I was talking about non SSD drives, that way this silly argument would not be a thing, I assumed technically minded people like yourself would be intelligent enough to understand that but I guess not, I apologize for not understanding that there is some kind of religious zeal around defragging

How many lashes do you think I should get for my omission? And how many posts should we dedicate to it moving forward?

Maybe we should start a new thread around defragging non SSD drives?

How about we talk about using trim on SSD drives? Would that make you feel better about yourself?

[JamminFool]

[spacepluk]

I must be super lucky because everything is working just fine for me.

[EfreetiSultan]

Defrag does not help and it's a stupid suggestion. It was overrated in 1998, nonsensical in 2005 and redundant after that.
Try it yourself. Do a before and after test if you don't believe me.
As far as ssd, defrag isn't even avaliable. You couldn't defrag an ssd even if you tried.

Awesome let's all argue about defragging a hard drive then we can talk about how many angels fit in the head of a pin

Defrag has worked for me in the past with non SSD drives, but I am a Dinosaur who has had computers since the early 80s. But I get it, I should have specified that I was talking about non SSD drives, that way this silly argument would not be a thing, I assumed technically minded people like yourself would be intelligent enough to understand that but I guess not, I apologize for not understanding that there is some kind of religious zeal around defragging

How many lashes do you think I should get for my omission? And how many posts should we dedicate to it moving forward?

Maybe we should start a new thread around defragging non SSD drives?

How about we talk about using trim on SSD drives? Would that make you feel better about yourself?

i dont think you should have taken that personally. it was not directed at you. I actually enjoy your comments on the forum. Youre wise and clearly have tons of experience. And I agree with you most of times.
I was just stating a fact, given I saw a discussion about defrag. I did not mean it as a personal attack against you in the slightest, my apologies to you if that is how you took it. But fact is, defrag basically does nothing.

[Jon at Roland]

That’s interesting - does Roland Cloud include Melodics (on line lessons)?
I’m a Roland cloud subscriber but they don’t get any revenue from it…just lifetime keys, that could be many users I guess. Paid users also seems to include anyone who bought anything?

Hey SLiC, Melodics and Roland have been working together for a little over a year now! You can find Melodics lesson offers in the "Offers" tab of Roland Cloud Manager.

[PAK]

I was just stating a fact, given I saw a discussion about defrag.

To clarify - Windows automatically schedules defragging of mechanical drives since Windows 8+ (2012), which is why you won’t see a difference. Roland Cloud has required Win 10+ since the time of the JD800 plugin’s release. Outside of the iMac’s hybrid SSD Fusion drive, Apple last used mechanical drives a decade ago.

Further, having money to pay for (or rent) Zenology, but not under $100 for an SSD to put it on, might be classed as a “highly unlikely” borderline trolling scenario. Not common anyway.

So for the main point not to get lost in all of this.. Those using Zenology, with long load delays, can fix the issues by removing any content without licenses (It’ll save you up to 2GB of space too ). Base Zenology Pro still comes with many thousands of presets, even without this content.

[IvyBirds]

I was just stating a fact, given I saw a discussion about defrag.

To clarify - Windows automatically schedules defragging of mechanical drives since Windows 8+ (2012),

Why is Windows scheduling something that you seem to think is worthless? And of course you can turn off that scheduling, many people turn off everything Windows wants to do automatically on their music production PC's so it doesn't eat resources during a session. I know I do. The last thing I want is for Windows to do anything while I am using my DAW

See that is something you know now, it's really bad advice to tell people to run anything Microsoft wants to do automatically on your production computers

So again if you actually have a bunch of stuff installed from Zenology your best bet is to use the fastest drive possible and if it's not an SSD make sure it's defragmented. Windows will defrag automatically but that can be turned off so just make sure it happens

Either that or use a crippled version without expansions and the full sample library

[N 4 LIFE]

Good to know. and speaking of presets, why on earth are the RC presets for many plug ins and sound cards not labeled with the original presets, user banks, and combinations? if you owned all those hardware versions as many here did, think of how many hours have been lost looking for factory presets and patches the past couple years.. Korg did it right at every level.

[IvyBirds]

Further, having money to pay for (or rent) Zenology, but not under $100 for an SSD to put it on, might be classed as a “highly unlikely” borderline trolling scenario. Not common anyway.

You are making the false assumption that most users are comfortable cracking open their computer and replacing it installing new drives.

Most users buy a PC and never touch it

In the not to distant past many Windows 10 users got a PC with a large magnetic C drive only and never swapped it out and still use it. It got a PC with a very small SSD drive for the OS and everything else was stored on a large magnetic drive

Windows 10 even has a feature where you could install a flash drive or SD so it could quickly read and write tell files faster than the main traditional spinning rust drive

It should also be mentioned that Windows knows if a drive is SSD or a spinning platter and if you run defrag (now called Optimization) on SSD it won't defrag it like a traditional hard drive, instead it performs "Trim" on it which does have an impact on the performance of Windows itself.

[Caine123]

Question. If you buy just ZENOLOGY PRO, can you upgrade to the COLLECTION?
does Zenology Pro get on sale?

[D-Fusion]

Question. If you buy just ZENOLOGY PRO, can you upgrade to the COLLECTION?
does Zenology Pro get on sale?

No. If you buy Zenology Pro you will have to buy the rest individually at full price.
I did complain about it without any response when they made the Zenology + the Synth model package which would have saved me alot of Money if i could get the extra for a discounted price.

So I ended up buying what i wanted over time when i figured out what i wanted to add to Zenology Pro.