Why is modern music so awful

[vurt]

The number of clubs has actually decreased dramatically

an increase in the amount of fisticuffs on the tiles
arrrr arrrr ayah
the hamlet we currently reside in, is attaining spook status.


needs some work, but it could be a hit...

[Bunny_boy]

The number of clubs has actually decreased dramatically

an increase in the amount of fisticuffs on the tiles
arrrr arrrr ayah
the hamlet we currently reside in, is attaining spook status.


needs some work, but it could be a hit...

I think the inhabitants of Craggy Island will like it

[stoopicus]

https://5mag.net/i-o/why-nightclubs-shutting-down/

This is a really good article, thanks!

[dark water]

I blame it on the lack of youth discoteques and village barn dances nowadays.

The number of clubs has actually decreased dramatically
https://ntia.co.uk/ntia-figures-reveal- ... shut-down/

https://www.dazeddigital.com/music/arti ... ek-in-2024

https://5mag.net/i-o/why-nightclubs-shutting-down/

https://www.whitehutchinson.com/news/le ... e104.shtml

Indeed - that was my point.

If the community locations / settings for musical experiences are taken away from (older) children and teenagers, imho they won't grow up being as immersed and captivated by music (and being able to view it, at worst, as an amusing background for their teenage romantic lives and shenanigans, and at best as meaningful to giving them musical enjoyment, closeness and exposure to songs from a young age).
Also, plenty of community facilities such as village halls offered a chance for teenage bands to have a space to rehearse (in addition to the usual garages etc), and these seem to be on the wane.

Many of us growing up in the pre-internet 1950s - 1990s were lucky because we still had these community musical events happening frequently.
I was lucky to grow up with village barn dances and local discos around Notts during the 80s and early 90s (until I was old enough to get into raves, nightclubs, house after-parties and festivals).
You don't hear about barn dances or youth discos to any great degree anymore.
The fashion for such events - and society in general - has changed drastically during the last 30 years.

And no, not everyone who attended such regular community musical events in their childhood would go on to form a band or become a DJ etc of course.
But several of us who did grow up with such regular, social musical get-togethers did feel a familiarity and closeness to music from a young age (partly) as a result.

Yes, there are many other reasons why some people believe that today's music is 'awful' compared to previous decades (although, to play Devil's Advocate, a) there are plenty of good new musicians making excellent music in a variety of genres today, and b) there was a fair amount of crap music around in the 50s-90s).
Many of those reasons have already been discussed previously in this thread.

But the lack of village and town musical social events for children and young teenagers (as opposed to for very young children and parents, whose events still seem to be quite prevalent?) is deafening compared to 30 years ago.
I would argue that the lack of social events and facilities (as opposed to listening to music by yourself on your earbuds or via the internet etc) creates a distance, a lack of interest and a lack of 'meaningfulness' around music compared to, say, for teenagers of the 1960s - 1980s.
Which, in turn, fails to inspire young musicians to 'give it a go' and, combined with several other reasons previously expressed in this thread, arguably leads to less risk-taking within music (both at an individual level and at a record label level etc) and less reason to see music as a social commodity and pursuit.

[stoopicus]

Ouch. When I was like 16, heading downtown to underage clubs was such a big part of my life - not just the girls, but the music, crowd, friends, the whole thing. Especially the music.

I am sure the youngs have replaced it with other outlets but damn. Major loss.

[bermudagold]

I blame it on the lack of youth discoteques and village barn dances nowadays.

The number of clubs has actually decreased dramatically
https://ntia.co.uk/ntia-figures-reveal- ... shut-down/

https://www.dazeddigital.com/music/arti ... ek-in-2024

https://5mag.net/i-o/why-nightclubs-shutting-down/

https://www.whitehutchinson.com/news/le ... e104.shtml

Indeed - that was my point.

If the community locations / settings for musical experiences are taken away from (older) children and teenagers, imho they won't grow up being as immersed and captivated by music (and being able to view it, at worst, as an amusing background for their teenage romantic lives and shenanigans, and at best as meaningful to giving them musical enjoyment, closeness and exposure to songs from a young age).
Also, plenty of community facilities such as village halls offered a chance for teenage bands to have a space to rehearse (in addition to the usual garages etc), and these seem to be on the wane.

I would argue that the lack of social events and facilities (as opposed to listening to music by yourself on your earbuds or via the internet etc) creates a distance, a lack of interest and a lack of 'meaningfulness' around music compared to, say, for teenagers of the 1960s - 1980s.
Which, in turn, fails to inspire young musicians to 'give it a go' and, combined with several other reasons previously expressed in this thread, arguably leads to less risk-taking within music (both at an individual level and at a record label level etc) and less reason to see music as a social commodity and pursuit.

Agreed...this is a big and significant change...this is why I think Will I Am new attempt at reinventing radio misses the point...I dont think people want an even more personalized experience to send them even deeper into a rabbit hole stovepipe of isolation causing them to be further consumed by their mobile device...i think what people miss about radio is the opposite...the communal experiences and shared moments between groups of people that become shared memories...humans are social beings and innately crave socialisation...the irony is social media is not actually social in meaningful ways like traditional mechanisms...i think people want the opposite of the isolation amplified by the pandemic and a return to the communal...local terrestrial radio, the jukebox, the boombox, and the record player created and facilitated these

[dark water]

^^ absolutely.


Anyway, in terms of not-so-awful modern music (imho), here's Amyl and the Sniffers:

[bermudagold]

i think what people miss about radio is the opposite...the communal experiences and shared moments between groups of people that become shared memories...humans are social beings and innately crave socialisation...the irony is social media is not actually social in meaningful ways like traditional mechanisms...i think people want the opposite of the isolation amplified by the pandemic and a return to the communal...local terrestrial radio, the jukebox, the boombox, and the record player created and facilitated these

maybe this is attempt to get some of this back...and restore the appreciation for the holistic album concept...listening parties to whole albums

https://www.timeout.com/uk/bars-and-pub ... ver-the-uk

[Milkman]

The motivations for making music, observably, have changed as overall culture continues to drift toward basically a religion-like obsession with money, consumption, "YOLO" ideology, power, and personal branding. Everyone has to have a show about themselves now, and everyone has to have "followers" or "fans" in the 1000s++ to feel less depressed, and you find this pervasive business and money/hustle culture becoming the PRIMARY reason to get into music, and less the passion in our heart to make others' hearts happy.

At the same time, a majority of working people in western economies are being pushed into 2 or more jobs just to pay the forever-rising rent or to cover the healthcare debt, so spending "spare time" following passion projects that might/might not earn money seems more risky than just delivering packages for some horrifying corporate monopoly/polyopoly after the 9-5 is over.

[Stanklydankly]

I think this is a symptom of aging more then anything. Stuff stops being made for you in the overwhelming manner everything is marketed straight at you when you're young.

[garethmetz]

You’re not looking hard enough!!

[n I I e]

Sorry I came late to this thread. My opinión is that modern music as the music is populated on the media is in fact rubbish 99%. I agree. But, and there is always a but, there are still great musicians and music if you look outside the charts and you don't have to go very deep to find great music.

So... resuming:
modern pop chart music? ----> atrocious rubbish
Modern music not in charts -----> lots of talent and creativity... great musicians are far from extinguish. And no... AI can't compete right now outside basic stuff and electronic stuff.

[weeii]

I really disagree with this opinion, it usually means that person doesnt know modern music, and treats every genre of modern music with very simple, arrogant and conservative attitude.

[jancivil]

This thread as it proceeded is no different than trolls in Youtube comments that comment on the title of the video but with no interest to find out what's being said. It's not surprising in the least, but it is a sign of where we are. Devolving.

In a sense the original post is kind of a music theory subject, but then there's two dozen pages off its topic. Beyond me to care a lot about how the forum is moderated anymore, but it's an Everything Else Music-Related topic, isn't it.

"I really disagree with this opinion" - we need to listen to the video to know from "thoughty's" view, first. It's not what it's been reduced to.

[Dunbar]

Music now is better than it's ever been.