T-RackS 6 now available

[multree]

Just downloaded the T-RackS 6 Intro to check it out and was happy to see that most of my V5 plug-ins were directly updated to V6 without the need to repurchase. This however was only true for most of my V5 plug-ins. Stuff like the Bus Comp and the British Channel (which I got as part of the "british studio series" bundle back in the day) or other stuff like the Vari-Mu or even the Classic Multiband Limiter are shown as "Try or Buy" while the Tape Machines, the Neve Stuff, the Fairchild and the Mastering EQ and more show up and work just fine as plug-ins and in the Mastering Suite.

I highly welcome the addition of external sidechain and I also love the fact that I'm now able to make them smaller... (the new LOGO is also slick imo) [however, the GUI acceleration seems to make the knobs look a little too sharp - and pixelistic - I like them a little more blurry and realistic looking - but that maybe just me] the free new master match is cool as well. Would've been awesome if all V5 plug-ins would be V6 automatically.

Oh they also seem to have removed all non-mastering plug-ins (like Space Delay, the Reverbs or Mic Room) from the Mastering Suite (I can still use it as an individual V6 plug-in - but it's not found in the Suite App) no idea what that's all about.... especially the reverbs can be useful even in a mastering situation.

[multree]

but I wish they fixed the cramping EQs

I just checked and it looks like only the Neve and API EQs suffer from cramping. Funnily enough I never use those. I always gravitate towards the MasterEQ, Equal and the Pultec which all seem cramping free as far as I could tell (with the exception of the UK Classic bell curve [SSL4000 model according to the manual] which funnily enough isn't). The New Channel X also has no signs of cramping, neither do the original ClassicEQ nor the LinearPhaseEQ.

The auto gain feature in the Channel X Compressor works soooo fine that I wish they'd included that as a switchable feature in everything else from comps to tape machines. This would have been amazing.

[jamcat]

Ever notice people only talk about seeing cramping, but never talk about hearing it?

So I'm just going to repost this from a year and a half ago:

I assume this is a joke. “Cramping” is a total non-issue. It’s a marketing ploy from some developers and their paid YouTube boosters.

What “cramping” actually is, is a slightly steeper slope on the right hand side of a bell curve very near 20kHz. You wouldn’t even be able to hear the difference if it occurred in the audible range. But it doesn’t. And why the hell would you be using a bell instead of a shelf anywhere near 20kHz??

The people pushing this nonsense know better. They certainly should, if they’re presenting themselves as audio professionals.

[multree]

might certainly be true.... and even the visible aspect is mostly non-existent in T-RackS 5 or 6

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Ever notice people only talk about seeing cramping, but never talk about hearing it?

So I'm just going to repost this from a year and a half ago:

I assume this is a joke. “Cramping” is a total non-issue. It’s a marketing ploy from some developers and their paid YouTube boosters.

What “cramping” actually is, is a slightly steeper slope on the right hand side of a bell curve very near 20kHz. You wouldn’t even be able to hear the difference if it occurred in the audible range. But it doesn’t. And why the hell would you be using a bell instead of a shelf anywhere near 20kHz??

The people pushing this nonsense know better. They certainly should, if they’re presenting themselves as audio professionals.

1. Analog EQ's don't behave that way so neither should a good analog model, even if most people will ignore it and just mix with their ears.

2. Cramping also means the high-end will sound different at different sample rates because there will be less cramping and more high end as you increase the sample rate. So if you're mixing at 44.1khz but upsampling in your DAW on render to 88.2khz or higher, like Reaper allows, it will lead to different sounding results on render. In that instance, you may indeed hear it.

Is it a huge deal? Not for most people in most circumstances. Should a company claiming they're making accurate analog models solve for this? Yes. It's a sign that corners have been cut.

[jamcat]

The only area of the high end that experiences cramping is so high that most people can’t hear it at all. There is no useful musical information in that frequency band. Even the best ears are simply not sensitive enough to frequencies ~20kHz to be able to discern the slight difference in the slope due to cramping. We might as well be discussing slight variations in ultraviolet hues.

And no one ever even encounters cramping in a real use setting, because it is only something that happens as a bell curve approaches Nyquist, and no one with any sense is going to be using a peaking EQ in that range. Most parametric EQs only offer a low-pass or shelving EQ in the top range, for good reason.

It is a total non-issue in the real world, which is why no one can actually describe what cramping sounds like.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

If they get the bell shape wrong because they didn't bother to de-cramp it (or didn't notice/bother to check), do you think they modeled everything else spot on? Details matter or they don't.

[jamcat]

Have you ever actually heard cramping?

[Gamma-UT]

I have, but only in A/B comparisons. This isn’t due to differences at the top end but the subtle change in curve shape on the lower side. Boosts can sound a little harsher because the curve is steeper than you might expect. It’s not by a lot and you can compensate for it if you know it’s there. You can, for example, sort of “Pultec it” by combining a shelf with a bell if you need to match the response of an analogue EQ.

If you change sample rates, the EQ curve will change as well but, realistically, that’s a rare thing to do.

For those reasons, I think it's useful to know whether a EQ is cramped at the top end, but it wouldn't stop me using it.

[art&sound]

Ever notice people only talk about seeing cramping, but never talk about hearing it?

So I'm just going to repost this from a year and a half ago:

I assume this is a joke. “Cramping” is a total non-issue. It’s a marketing ploy from some developers and their paid YouTube boosters.

What “cramping” actually is, is a slightly steeper slope on the right hand side of a bell curve very near 20kHz. You wouldn’t even be able to hear the difference if it occurred in the audible range. But it doesn’t. And why the hell would you be using a bell instead of a shelf anywhere near 20kHz??

The people pushing this nonsense know better. They certainly should, if they’re presenting themselves as audio professionals.

You don’t seem to be curious about why it might be important to some. Instead, you’re being aggressively dismissive of it, which to me just seems so weird. Do you react this way about other topics that you don’t immediately connect to?

What did a decramped EQ ever do to you?

[jamcat]

I'm just providing some perspective, to illustrate why your time is better spent worrying about stuff that isn't imperceptible.

If they get the bell shape wrong because they didn't bother to de-cramp it (or didn't notice/bother to check), do you think they modeled everything else spot on? Details matter or they don't.

So it's your contention that if a developer doesn't spend resources tweaking something that doesn't matter, that means they must have messed up on the stuff that does matter?

There's got to be a logical fallacy in there somewhere...

[simon.a.billington]

I'm now eagerly awaiting the next Total Studio upgrade, and hope it comes with an introductory upgrade price.

Id also like to see more fully featured upgrade to SampleTank with a focus on high quality, bespoke instrument libraries. The kind that would be also suitable for cinematic music.

[db3]

Just downloaded the T-RackS 6 Intro to check it out and was happy to see that most of my V5 plug-ins were directly updated to V6 without the need to repurchase. This however was only true for most of my V5 plug-ins. Stuff like the Bus Comp and the British Channel (which I got as part of the "british studio series" bundle back in the day) or other stuff like the Vari-Mu or even the Classic Multiband Limiter are shown as "Try or Buy" while the Tape Machines, the Neve Stuff, the Fairchild and the Mastering EQ and more show up and work just fine as plug-ins and in the Mastering Suite.

I didn't find this at all. All my TR5 plugins are still installed as TR5 plugins and the new TR6 plugins install separately as trials other than the 3 free ones that come with Intro. Lots to delete.

[multree]

I just tried using the LINEAR PHASE mode in Equal and this seems to be completely broken. sometimes the button to switch it on is gone altogether but most of the time it mutes either both channels or just one of them....

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[multree]

Just downloaded the T-RackS 6 Intro to check it out and was happy to see that most of my V5 plug-ins were directly updated to V6 without the need to repurchase. This however was only true for most of my V5 plug-ins. Stuff like the Bus Comp and the British Channel (which I got as part of the "british studio series" bundle back in the day) or other stuff like the Vari-Mu or even the Classic Multiband Limiter are shown as "Try or Buy" while the Tape Machines, the Neve Stuff, the Fairchild and the Mastering EQ and more show up and work just fine as plug-ins and in the Mastering Suite.

I didn't find this at all. All my TR5 plugins are still installed as TR5 plugins and the new TR6 plugins install separately as trials other than the 3 free ones that come with Intro. Lots to delete.

all my T-RackS 5 plug-ins were still there as well but half of them also opened as non-restricted v6 versions (others just as demos)....