Reason 13 Announced- Sequencer updated!

[Crossinger]

and to reiterate what I said before: I'm convinced that if Mattias just woudln't have been there (i.e. no product manager at all and the coders just doing their thing), R13 would have been a way better product.

Yes, unfortunately he’s clinging to the ashes instead of keeping the flame alive.

[LaLivre]

And there is the next big problem, because the actual CEO seems not to be able to recogize this and make good (hard) internal changes. To me it feels like he is not working there at all. Maybe it's just that he has not enough experiences to make important CEO decisions (like to replace people who are unsuitable for their position).

It seems this CEO has not the:

1. skills to realize the bad reputation of reason and the skepticism that leads to future struggle
2. guts to face against people who are not good for the DAW development and for the general mood and confidence in the product "Reason" as a whole
3. general CEO abilities to communicate or at least to direct others to communicate (if he does not like it - which is totally OK) and bring fresh breezes to the outside world that motivates people

In harsh, direct words: he must go as soon as possible, too, otherwise nothing will change under him, which, as already stated in this forum, is a must.

[kae]

I still think Reason is great fun and a unique product, but with the direction it's going (or not going) I don't see myself investing much more in its ecosystem. I cancelled my subscription and will stick to my old v11 for the time being. Will keep an eye on it in the future, but if they just want to focus on selling extensions I'm not interested.

[LaLivre]

Great fun...yes...year after year it's just as much fun to play all the time with the devices as watching a few Netflix movies while drinking beer and snacking on peanut flips.

This company has no direction, no clue about any communication, nearly no regular product news / updates, no motivating plan for the future, and worst of all, nearly no trust from most longtime users in this DAW anymore.

There even is no midi comping ... in 2024!! Hello?! How many years loyal customers asked for low hanging fruit features? 5 years? 10 years? 15 years?

I don't want to spend money anymore in their cash grabbin ecosystem neither. You can't even transfer your own licenced Rack Extensions to other people if you sell your Reason licence...unbelievable.

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A licence warning info for everyone - very important

If you buy any Rack Extension, you will NEVER be able to re-sell it or transfer it even for free to someone. When you sell your Reason licence to someone else, there is no way to transfer any of your Rack Extensions. Keep this in mind, it's a tricky and sneaky move and an unique licence standout!

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You get the feeling that there's a battle going on at Reason Studios headquarters to see who are the most ignorant, incompetent and customer-hostile managers in the entire music software industry.

But who am I telling, they won't change anything or take the wishes of their users seriously anyway. It's a lost cause with this company and any further energy is pointless.

[wibblywobblywomble]

The way things are going, I doubt there will ever be a Reason 14. When the writing is on the wall, I fully expect the company not to unlock the software so that people who paid for it can keep using it, but to just walk out of their office and switch off the servers, so the software stops working next time you need to authorize. That would be in keeping with their (illegal?) resale/transfer policy.

[D-Fusion]

They Just lost another great Reason User that made tons of videos.

[LaLivre]

And there will be a lot more users be finished with Reason very soon.

If RS doesn't immediately fire the people responsible for this whole Reason 13 disaster (or at least remove them internal from their current positions) and completely change their ignorant behaviour and their twisted, chaotic strategy, there is little hope for this company.

[Jac459]

They Just lost another great Reason User that made tons of videos.

Well I am shared on this one.
I mean she is totally right to go where she wants and I share her views on reason (I moved 3 years ago).
But as a content creator, I think she is not at the same level than rhe top creators on bitwig or Ableton. So being in reason was niche and then maybe a smart move....

[D-Fusion]

And there will be a lot more users be finished with Reason very soon.

If RS doesn't immediately fire the people responsible for this whole Reason 13 disaster (or at least remove them internal from their current positions) and completely change their ignorant behaviour and their twisted, chaotic strategy, there is little hope for this company.

I agree.
And it is Hard to see it's downfall in slow motion after being a on and off user since V1.

Most of the people that promoted V13 After Release are people that got their License for free to promote it just like what is happening in the Synthfluencer Scene.

[LaLivre]

And there will be a lot more users be finished with Reason very soon.

If RS doesn't immediately fire the people responsible for this whole Reason 13 disaster (or at least remove them internal from their current positions) and completely change their ignorant behaviour and their twisted, chaotic strategy, there is little hope for this company.

I agree.
And it is Hard to see it's downfall in slow motion after being a on and off user since V1.

Most of the people that promoted V13 After Release are people that got their License for free to promote it just like what is happening in the Synthfluencer Scene.

Yes, it's really very hard to bear

The people in charge at RS are mainly interested in living out their annual “new device” fetish and creating semi-legal license models instead of responding to 20 year old user requests.

[kmonkey]

When you visit the Reason Talk forum and read about I am done video of that user moving away from Reason you can't stop laughing at the mental gymnastics involved in rationalizing, relativizing, and twisting "why is that user done".

- this channel wasn't important anyway - check
- the user wants more clicks - check
- this is not the way to handle things - check
- he is using YouTube and Reason to make drama - check

It is as if they can't accept the reality of what is being said on the thin. A user is moving away because their product is rendered bad because of their bad development and marketing strategies.

It wouldn't happen for the first time. Just check the Presonus thread. But no let us vigilante the user for abandoning cult. While he was making the content it was all fine. Oh, the hypocrisy.

[LaLivre]

Yes, and any intense and harsh criticism that would make Reason Studios management think twice about their terrible ignorance is regularly censored in this "Reasontalk" forum by some strange moderators. It feels like some stuck users running this forum who would even support this company uncritically if they made Reason a 100% subscription software product overnight. Or maybe it's the company itself which runs reasontalk....I have no clue.

[D-Fusion]

Yes, and any intense and harsh criticism that would make Reason Studios management think twice about their terrible ignorance is regularly censored in this "Reasontalk" forum by some strange moderators. It feels like some stuck users running this forum who would even support this company uncritically if they made Reason a 100% subscription software product overnight. Or maybe it's the company itself which runs reasontalk....I have no clue.

It makes you wonder if some of the workers there might be moderators.

I am not abandoning Ship since I use the Rack vst in another daw these days but V12 is my last version for now.

[jlgrimes11]

When you visit the Reason Talk forum and read about I am done video of that user moving away from Reason you can't stop laughing at the mental gymnastics involved in rationalizing, relativizing, and twisting "why is that user done".

- this channel wasn't important anyway - check
- the user wants more clicks - check
- this is not the way to handle things - check
- he is using YouTube and Reason to make drama - check

It is as if they can't accept the reality of what is being said on the thin. A user is moving away because their product is rendered bad because of their bad development and marketing strategies.

It wouldn't happen for the first time. Just check the Presonus thread. But no let us vigilante the user for abandoning cult. While he was making the content it was all fine. Oh, the hypocrisy.

Well she isn't nowhere near the first Reason tutorial maker to leave the platform. Many though are less vocal about it.


To be fair it is pretty normal to switch different DAWS especially after years.

But I've seen some weird clashes with Reason over the years. Most are just silent clashes, while others do get pretty vocal and intense. That said we never really figure out what happens. But at least with Jelie, she was upfront in admitting it is the pace of development and popularity of the DAW.

I know she made a post on the Reason forums asking about Soundfonts no longer working in the browser. I hinted at that being a feature that probably got quietly removed going to 13. I'm sure that's not the main reason but I think lack of development, removal of features add up over time. Especially when removing a feature, you need an extremely valid reason to do so and even then you are going to piss off alot of people.

[jlgrimes11]

Yes, and any intense and harsh criticism that would make Reason Studios management think twice about their terrible ignorance is regularly censored in this "Reasontalk" forum by some strange moderators. It feels like some stuck users running this forum who would even support this company uncritically if they made Reason a 100% subscription software product overnight. Or maybe it's the company itself which runs reasontalk....I have no clue.

I'm pretty sure they aren't a part of the company.

My guess though is they still won't go too hard on them for fear of retaliation and/or the missing out of perks of providing a big service for Reason.

Play nicely along with Reason, they probably get inside company news or even company tours, event invites etc.

If they go too hard, or allow too much criticism, they would get viewed as Anti-Reason and be left out of the loop.


To me I never understood why they got rid of their old company forum.

It can't be that expensive to run. Reaper has had a forum for years, I doubt that is their biggest expense and probably pays for itself with having a place for technical issues without calling/emailing tech support.

I'd imagine it is hard reading alot of anger venting post some of which probably from unstable folks but at the same time it is good to read the venting because those are actual accounts from real users most of the time posting real life issues. And nowadays a bad forum post is alot better than a bad YouTube video. I hope it is not that some people prefer to keep their heads in the sand.