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Many audiences want to see the guitarist, drummer, saxophonist etc actually playing their instrument.
Thomas Piper is trying to get some of that audience involvement with *pads*


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BONES wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 1:05 am If you mean the two controller "wings", then yes. The Legion Go comes with a puck-like disc that the right controller can sit in, where it can function as a vertical mouse with lots of controls
Thanks for the explanation.

My question wasn't directed towards a mouse replacement but I think it does/provides what I want. The device is very tempting. Defo on my watch list. I see the advantages for my needs. :tu:

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elassi wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 5:09 pm
BONES wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 1:05 am If you mean the two controller "wings", then yes. The Legion Go comes with a puck-like disc that the right controller can sit in, where it can function as a vertical mouse with lots of controls
Thanks for the explanation.

My question wasn't directed towards a mouse replacement but I think it does/provides what I want. The device is very tempting. Defo on my watch list. I see the advantages for my needs. :tu:
An additionally nice thing, is that there is a very good chance that it will work with Linux as well. :wink:
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(Also: I'm Accused of lying about Linux—it boots, runs my pro audio workflow, stays stable, updates--though yearly dismissed as “niche”. Yet I'm the deluded one.)
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Sure, if you want to ruin it.
Michael L wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 11:49 am Many audiences want to see the guitarist, drummer, saxophonist etc actually playing their instrument.
Those are not the kinds of people we like to see at our gigs - wankers, one and all - although I do a bit of air-bass in one of our songs, just for shits and giggles.
NOVAkILL : Legion GO, AMD Z1x, 16GB RAM, Win11 | Audient EVO 8 | Lumi Keys | Studio Pro 8
Korg Odyssey, bx-oberhausen, Proxima, PolyMax, GR8, JP6K, Union, Atomika,
Invader 2, Flow Motion, Olga, TRK 01, Thorn, Spire, VG Iron

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BONES wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 11:39 pm Sure, if you want to ruin it.
Michael L wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 11:49 am Many audiences want to see the guitarist, drummer, saxophonist etc actually playing their instrument.
Those are not the kinds of people we like to see at our gigs - wankers, one and all - although I do a bit of air-bass in one of our songs, just for shits and giggles.
Does your audience prefer to not see you when you perform?
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Michael L wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:10 am Does your audience prefer to not see you when you perform?
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Bones' machine obviously takes the cake in comparison, but I'm surprised that before this thread turned into whatever it is now, nobody mentioned DeX. I think it's great. It's not the best, but it is pretty awesome, especially compared to an iPhone/iPad can do.

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What is DeX? If you mean the Samsung thing, I could do that with my Windows Phone 10 years ago. It wasn't exactly a great experience.
Michael L wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:10 amDoes your audience prefer to not see you when you perform?
They presumably wouldn't be in the audience if they didn't want to actually see us. They could stay at home and listen to the albums.
NOVAkILL : Legion GO, AMD Z1x, 16GB RAM, Win11 | Audient EVO 8 | Lumi Keys | Studio Pro 8
Korg Odyssey, bx-oberhausen, Proxima, PolyMax, GR8, JP6K, Union, Atomika,
Invader 2, Flow Motion, Olga, TRK 01, Thorn, Spire, VG Iron

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Funny because I just found out about these devices and instantly wondered if they could run FL studio or any other DAW.

I suppose it’s cool to test out and play around with, probably better for getting some ideas down when away from home or studio. But my reasoning is since I already have a strong laptop for home studio, it would be really pointless to get this in an attempt to do the same thing.

Of course it’s meant for gaming, but if they theoretically built it to be a super portable laptop at 10” and a super minimal keyboard + mousepad along with a better cooling system, then it would be a must buy.

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BONES wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:37 pm
Michael L wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 12:10 amDoes your audience prefer to not see you when you perform?
They presumably wouldn't be in the audience if they didn't want to actually see us. They could stay at home and listen to the albums.
Presumably.

Same with Thomas Piper on Push.

Same with acoustic musicians.

Similarly, avoiding The Laptop Look is an important criterion in a performance device.
Why?
Screen blocks the view.
Trackpad and QWERTY are boring.

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BONES wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 1:37 pm What is DeX? If you mean the Samsung thing, I could do that with my Windows Phone 10 years ago. It wasn't exactly a great experience.
Yeah. The Samsung thing. Difference is 10 years ago your Windows phone sucked ass in regards to both hardware and "Windows Mobile". And not prime ass, either. Shit, swamp ass. Comparable to an iPad from 4 years ago.

Dex is pretty nice though. Not Surface/Workstation Tablet nice, but better than having multiple devices, and the hardware and software is there in regards to performance and availability.

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Yeah but it ran (some, selected) Windows applications. Will DeX let me run Studio One? Because if it can't run all the same software I use every day, then it fails. That's what makes the Legion Go so f**king good - it's really just a Windows 11 PC that works at least as well as most high-end laptops. Sitting here now, replying to you, feels exactly like it has on any other computer I've ever owned. In fact, it feels like it runs Studio One slightly better than my last couple of lappies, probably due to optimisations made to the system for gaming.
tkdalien wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 2:29 pmI suppose it’s cool to test out and play around with, probably better for getting some ideas down when away from home or studio. But my reasoning is since I already have a strong laptop for home studio, it would be really pointless to get this in an attempt to do the same thing.
Not if it could replace your laptop. I originally bought it just to test the waters, to see how close it was to being usable on stage. It only took me a couple of days to realise that it was the real deal. It took me a couple of weeks more to realise that I was never going to switch my laptop on again, so I will be selling it.
Of course it’s meant for gaming, but if they theoretically built it to be a super portable laptop at 10” and a super minimal keyboard + mousepad along with a better cooling system, then it would be a must buy.
The cooling is excellent. It doesn't get as hot as my RoG Flow Z13 and neither does it's PSU. You don't need a keyboard on the go. In tablet mode the on-screen keyboard works great. At home, as you can see from the photo in my first post, it's hooked up to the 27" curved monitor that work paid for during Covid, a mechanical keyboard I've had for years and the mouse I always use with every computer, as well as my music-related peripherals, of course - 2 x controllers and my I/O device.
Michael L wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:07 pmSimilarly, avoiding The Laptop Look is an important criterion in a performance device. Why? Screen blocks the view. Trackpad and QWERTY are boring.
The big thing for us on stage is the laptop screen is a distraction and a crutch, so having something that you can't really see too well will be good for our live shows, I think. It will make us concentrate a bit harder.

Also, I f**king hate trackpads and we weren't using a keyboard with my previous 2-in-1s anyway. The good thing about a Surface-like PC is that you can lay it down at an acute angle so it's out of the way but still easy to work with.
NOVAkILL : Legion GO, AMD Z1x, 16GB RAM, Win11 | Audient EVO 8 | Lumi Keys | Studio Pro 8
Korg Odyssey, bx-oberhausen, Proxima, PolyMax, GR8, JP6K, Union, Atomika,
Invader 2, Flow Motion, Olga, TRK 01, Thorn, Spire, VG Iron

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BONES wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 12:17 am Yeah but it ran (some, selected) Windows applications. Will DeX let me run Studio One? Because if it can't run all the same software I use every day, then it fails. That's what makes the Legion Go so f**king good - it's really just a Windows 11 PC that works at least as well as most high-end laptops. Sitting here now, replying to you, feels exactly like it has on any other computer I've ever owned. In fact, it feels like it runs Studio One slightly better than my last couple of lappies, probably due to optimisations made to the system for gaming.
No, I get it, you're about 2hrs away from duct-taping a fleshlight to your Legion, if you haven't already. DeX wasn't a suggestion aimed at you, but more the "I have my MacBook Pro for this...My iPad for this..and my iPhone for this!" Limpwristers.

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Fair enough and I completely agree. Convergence/consolidation makes the most sense for consumers, but the least for greedy vendors. I really f**king hate smartphones, though, and phones generally. The biggest motivator for me to retire is to be able to live without a f**king phone.
NOVAkILL : Legion GO, AMD Z1x, 16GB RAM, Win11 | Audient EVO 8 | Lumi Keys | Studio Pro 8
Korg Odyssey, bx-oberhausen, Proxima, PolyMax, GR8, JP6K, Union, Atomika,
Invader 2, Flow Motion, Olga, TRK 01, Thorn, Spire, VG Iron

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vstdls wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 4:54 pm the "I have my MacBook Pro for this...My iPad for this..and my iPhone for this!" Limpwristers.
Who said that, besides me? It looks like no one, so that must be directed at me.

But seriously? You use one device for everything? You don't own a phone? :roll:

Personally, I like having an iPad, even if I don't strictly need one. iPad + Apple Pencil beats taking notes with pen and paper, especially with handwriting to text conversion. And the iPad makes a truly awesome pdf reader. It also works as a control surface for Studio One with the Studio One RC app. And it works as a monitor extension or as a drawing tablet with the Apple Pencil in Photoshop and Illustrator, through Sidecar on the Mac. Sometimes you just need multiple physical objects working together to perform tasks better than trying to cram everything on one device and flip back and forth. And when you have an iPad and a Mac, the iPad generally can become whatever other object you need at the time, and interact directly with the Mac, with no setup needed.
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