Snapback: The Instant Drum Layering Effect – v1.1 UPDATE

[Jakob / Cableguys]

Great little tool this. I added it to a basic sawtooth wave and got some weird flam effects when playing polyphonically.

For some material you might want to change the algorithm for the trigger detection. Open the Trigger settings and switch from Drums (default) to General or Complex. Complex requires 10ms more of latency and has a higher CPU load, but sometimes it's quite worth it.

But then added it a simple loop and had it triggering a kinda shaker pattern on top of the hats and snare. Nice stuff. Can we drag our own transients in? Not that I necessarily want this but would be cool to know.

You can! Either drag in samples. Or configure it to let you browse full folders (via the "Show User Sound Folder" in the Snapback Main Menu).

[morphex]

Snapback is proving to be a really effective spice to add to the mix. I’m using my own audio recordings to layer with glitchy drums, and now the loops have a completely different vibe and character. Also, using it to layer on top of an arpeggiated bass line sounds very cool!

It’s so handy to have these specific features in one plug-in. I can work very quickly with the kind of precision that I’m obsessed with. Yum-Audio’s Slap! by Mr. Bill, the transient designer and multi-effect, is another tool that I’ve been using a lot recently.

Both of these are bringing new life to older recordings, so Snapback is a welcome addition. I think Cableguys collaborating with BT was an excellent idea. I hope that it all works out for them business wise. Hopefully, that will enable them to develop it further and release more plug-ins down the road.

[Jakob / Cableguys]

Just curious, if you own a ShaperBox 3 license that became NFR when it was transferred to you, and you upgrade to the Cableguys Bundle from that, does the bundle become NFR?

Uh, I think we have no real policy on that. But normally we're easy going. We just want to avoid that a license travels across multiple users.

[swilow11]

Great little tool this. I added it to a basic sawtooth wave and got some weird flam effects when playing polyphonically.

For some material you might want to change the algorithm for the trigger detection. Open the Trigger settings and switch from Drums (default) to General or Complex. Complex requires 10ms more of latency and has a higher CPU load, but sometimes it's quite worth it.

But then added it a simple loop and had it triggering a kinda shaker pattern on top of the hats and snare. Nice stuff. Can we drag our own transients in? Not that I necessarily want this but would be cool to know.

You can! Either drag in samples. Or configure it to let you browse full folders (via the "Show User Sound Folder" in the Snapback Main Menu).

Nice! It's actually a really fun and pretty unique little plugin. Great work! I also completed my Cableguys bundle and am playing with Curve 2 and stuff and having a blast.

With Filtershaper XL, is there any thoughts of adding more Filter types- like a comb filter, phaser, etc.?

[Spin Boyz]

I have Yum-Audio’s Slap! but I like that this lets you shape the attack and decay and shift. Slap! has some nice fx tho.

[Zoopy]

Would love multi out, and a solo feature for the transient/snapback sounds. Love this plugin ☺

[_al_]

With Filtershaper XL, is there any thoughts of adding more Filter types- like a comb filter, phaser, etc.?

Yeah, this is the reason I never use it.
It really needs more filter types if it wants to call itself XL, imo.

[swilow11]

I assumed it would be more extensive but it's basically just the filter Shaper from Shaperbox which I've already got and love. Still, the filters are lovely but there's really no point in getting it if you own Shaperbox. I only purchased it cos of good price to complete the bundle.

Curve 2 is great though. But super annoying to use- its f**king tiny. The mod matrix is almost unreadable. Hoping they update it to be resizable because its really not that usable in its current form.

[_al_]

Curve 2 is great though. But super annoying to use- its f**king tiny. The mod matrix is almost unreadable. Hoping they update it to be resizable because its really not that usable in its current form.

Huh... interesting.
I also only need Curve to complete the bundle, but I've yet to find a real reason to want it.



That said... if I upgrade to complete, does that mean I get all future plugins for free?
Or doesn't it work like that?

I remember I paid £80 for Melda Creative bundle in 2009, and now it's worth £500 or something lol.
(and still some of my most used plugins)

[elassi]

That said... if I upgrade to complete, does that mean I get all future plugins for free?
Or doesn't it work like that?

Afair there was an upgrade fee here and there for individual plugins, but it was always small and also worth it.

[Jakob / Cableguys]

That said... if I upgrade to complete, does that mean I get all future plugins for free?
Or doesn't it work like that?

Afair there was an upgrade fee here and there for individual plugins, but it was always small and also worth it.

Indeed! If you purchase the Cableguys Bundle you get our current plugins (except Nicky Romero Kickstart 2, which is not part of the Cableguys Bundle). When new plugins or new major versions get added to the Cableguys Bundle, we normally do a small upgrade fee.

[Jakob / Cableguys]

With Filtershaper XL, is there any thoughts of adding more Filter types- like a comb filter, phaser, etc.?

Yeah, this is the reason I never use it.
It really needs more filter types if it wants to call itself XL, imo.

We have plans to add more filter types to FilterShaper XL (and to the FilterShaper in ShaperBox), yes, but it's not a big priority right now. We actually already habe more filter types implemented, including a really cool Moog emulation, but then it always takes ages for us to fine-tune and we only want to add new algorithms if we're 100% happy with the result.

[Jakob / Cableguys]

I assumed it would be more extensive but it's basically just the filter Shaper from Shaperbox which I've already got and love. Still, the filters are lovely but there's really no point in getting it if you own Shaperbox. I only purchased it cos of good price to complete the bundle.

I'd actually argue that I'll quickly paste in our web texts as I cannot write it any better than my colleague Lee did there:

FilterShaper XL gives you dual filters in series or parallel, each with a pre/post drive stage and internal resonance drive too. For all 10 of its modulatable parameters, you get a dual LFO and Envelope – and each LFO has its own LFO/Envelope for Amount and Speed! This enables an incredible variety of modulation expression.

ShaperBox's FilterShaper Core instead has one filter and 2 main parameters, Cutoff and Resonance, each with just one LFO/Envelope. This means the LFO graph always maps directly to the full 20Hz-21kHz range of the filter. So what you see is always what you get in ShaperBox, making it instantly easy to understand and use.

So for instant inspiration across 10 varied multiband effects, ShaperBox is your go-to, while FilterShaper XL should be your choice for highly modulated advanced filtering.

[nanostream]

Slapback looks interesting (and cheap enough), but I’m having concerns regarding latency. How are y’all getting around it, is it worth the hassle? Is it a hassle at all?

I don’t see myself making music with 25-100+ ms latency, so I’d probably bounce a lot and pick out the hits I want to use? Idk. Then again, I’m not sure I’d gain a lot compared to my existing workflow.

I should probably just try the demo, but I’d like to hear some real life input. Thanks.

[swilow11]

I assumed it would be more extensive but it's basically just the filter Shaper from Shaperbox which I've already got and love. Still, the filters are lovely but there's really no point in getting it if you own Shaperbox. I only purchased it cos of good price to complete the bundle.

I'd actually argue that I'll quickly paste in our web texts as I cannot write it any better than my colleague Lee did there:

FilterShaper XL gives you dual filters in series or parallel, each with a pre/post drive stage and internal resonance drive too. For all 10 of its modulatable parameters, you get a dual LFO and Envelope – and each LFO has its own LFO/Envelope for Amount and Speed! This enables an incredible variety of modulation expression.

ShaperBox's FilterShaper Core instead has one filter and 2 main parameters, Cutoff and Resonance, each with just one LFO/Envelope. This means the LFO graph always maps directly to the full 20Hz-21kHz range of the filter. So what you see is always what you get in ShaperBox, making it instantly easy to understand and use.

So for instant inspiration across 10 varied multiband effects, ShaperBox is your go-to, while FilterShaper XL should be your choice for highly modulated advanced filtering.

Hmm, yeah- you're talking sense here. I really should have added my huge caveat- I've only owned Filtershaper for hmm, 3 days. So yeah, I have but scratched the surface. And I really love how the Shaper stuff visualises modulation- it just works for me extremely well- so this device is absolutely fitting into my workflow, Shaperbox itself aside.

But...

Have you looked at Polyverse's Filterverse? The diversity of filter types is on another level, and there is modulation galore. But the visual feedback isn't the best imo and stuff like the sequencer are just kinda weird. I much prefer the big LFO style of Shaperbox I think the Shaperbox/Filtershaper style with a broader range of filters would be really fantastic. Are there any plans to incorporate other types (phaser, comb, formant, etx) into Filtershaper XL?