duncanparsons wrote:Does that mean I can't use my portastudio any more?
darn.
DSP
Analog multitrack recording is dead...
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- KVRAF
- 25036 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
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- Beware the Quoth
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- 35481 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
UltraJv quoth Tapes are used in DLT drives for servers/VCR machines/cassete recorders/DAT drives there is still a market.
Irrelevant. This was the last manufacturer of Pro Audio Tape.
Not cassette tape, not VCR tape, not backup tape.
Pro Audio Tape.
I think you'll find audio cassette tape doesnt work well on a 2" machine.
I mean are you determined to be obtuse.
Dwindling maybe but its there.
Until its not.
Of course it wont last forever but neither will digital
And what exactly are you talking about?
No one can archive onto digital reliably, its still a major issue...
Bollocks. Tape disintigrates as well, but at least with digital, 1-for-1 transfer is possible. No such luck for analogue, and if you cant get the machine to play it on... you're f**ked.
And I know that as a fact with a real-life project, not just some flight-of-fancy 'I wish it were so'... currently my department has undertaken the archiving of video art from the last 20-odd years. 'Cept we cant actually archive it all; there arent machines available which are capable of making a copy from, and even for those with rworking tape machines available, many copies would need to be restored first.
Thats the major issue, not digital.
Irrelevant. This was the last manufacturer of Pro Audio Tape.
Not cassette tape, not VCR tape, not backup tape.
Pro Audio Tape.
I think you'll find audio cassette tape doesnt work well on a 2" machine.
I mean are you determined to be obtuse.
Dwindling maybe but its there.
Until its not.
Of course it wont last forever but neither will digital
And what exactly are you talking about?
No one can archive onto digital reliably, its still a major issue...
Bollocks. Tape disintigrates as well, but at least with digital, 1-for-1 transfer is possible. No such luck for analogue, and if you cant get the machine to play it on... you're f**ked.
And I know that as a fact with a real-life project, not just some flight-of-fancy 'I wish it were so'... currently my department has undertaken the archiving of video art from the last 20-odd years. 'Cept we cant actually archive it all; there arent machines available which are capable of making a copy from, and even for those with rworking tape machines available, many copies would need to be restored first.
Thats the major issue, not digital.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 6323 posts since 30 Dec, 2004 from London uk
My point being that the formula for tape is still being made, it will still be sold.
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- KVRAF
- 6323 posts since 30 Dec, 2004 from London uk
I must add that the main thread was very dramatic, you made it sound like there will be no more tape. I like to add spice to the threads, it would be boring if we all agreed wouldnt it?
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- KVRAF
- 3588 posts since 13 May, 2004 from montreal
I still use an Ampex 8-track (1" tape) for certain things. Haven't recorded 2" analogue since 1999-ish though.Mental Audio Deviations wrote:Anybody serious still use that stuff? Guess not, thats why they're closing down. I do feel sorry for the workers though, hell of a way to start the new year.
Re: the analogue vs. digital archiving debate, there is an interesting article on the subject (a few years old, but, nonetheless...) at http://www.irdial.com/w34.htm
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Stupid American Pig Stupid American Pig https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4753 - KVRAF
- 7065 posts since 25 Nov, 2002 from not sure
I think that while tape has some great things going for it, Ultajv may be romanticizing it slightly. Honestly, somethings about tape really SUCK BAD. Rewinding, tapes sometimes have dead spots, if you misthread a tape, its ruined. you got tape hiss, bleed through, copying, like rabbyt said is NOT 1:1. Tape loses its magnetism more quickly that optical media deteriorates. I think Digital *is* a much better solution, and with time, the features missed with analog tape will be more accurately modelled. Until then, you could always have a 1" machine hooked up to your DAW...
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- KVRAF
- 3588 posts since 13 May, 2004 from montreal
If I can borrow a camera at some point, sure.clueless wrote:nicedystonia_ek wrote:I still use an Ampex 8-track (1" tape) for certain things
any chance of a pic?
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- KVRian
- 1045 posts since 23 Jul, 2001 from Jersey Is Where America's At
Hey since analog tape recording is now "dead" 
, if anyone wants to sell a nice 24 track 2" Stueder tape machine, or anything similar for a hundred or so bucks (I'll pay for transportation) let me know. I'll take it off your hands. It's gotta be just taking up space anyway.
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, if anyone wants to sell a nice 24 track 2" Stueder tape machine, or anything similar for a hundred or so bucks (I'll pay for transportation) let me know. I'll take it off your hands. It's gotta be just taking up space anyway. \\ I'm sorry this post wasn't about techno.
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Stupid American Pig Stupid American Pig https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=4753
- KVRAF
- 7065 posts since 25 Nov, 2002 from not sure
I'll second that request..
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- Beware the Quoth
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- 35481 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Interesting article, Dystonia, although just a little misleading in places...
Oh well, I blame the analoge media being used.
I sorta like the idea of the ephemerality of some work, though; someone said recently in the 'too much ambient' thread (I think) that we put too much store in copying and preserving music...
If this were true for all digital copying, then how the hell would software get distributed?The ignorant will say that digital dubbing does not involve a loss of generation, because it is a 1 to 1 copy of numerical information. The people who say this are part of the legion of the uninformed. They have not heard a digital to digital DAT copy compared A/B to the originating master. If they had done so, they would know that after ONE digital generation, the sound degradation is so great that the copy is useless for the purposes of music. This is in complete disagreement with the manuals for SONY DAT players, which state that degradation will only be detectable after the tenth generation. This is odd, because a 1 to 1 numerical copy should NEVER suffer degradation at all!!
Oh well, I blame the analoge media being used.
I sorta like the idea of the ephemerality of some work, though; someone said recently in the 'too much ambient' thread (I think) that we put too much store in copying and preserving music...
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
