I'm sick of vintage analog fx plugins

[vurt]

hes only been here six months and he gets quothed!!!!
i had to wait a year


edit]oh thats because i dont talk BULLSHIT,sickle tell him to quit bitchin and get Reaktor
remco,im not sure f**king oneself helps in the sound department

[dystonia_ek]

Good points, cron, but the distance between, for example, granular synthesis theory as it was developed in the 1950's and how it is actually being implemented now is considerable. It could be argued that there's more unexplored territory in granular synthesis and convolution than there is in flanging...

[Panda]

One notable exception I can think of is DFX's Geometer plugin. Totally original thinking!

I was gonna say that! DFX's other stuff's cool as well, have you even checked it?
But really, get reaktor...

[cron]

Good points, cron, but the distance between, for example, granular synthesis theory as it was developed in the 1950's and how it is actually being implemented now is considerable. It could be argued that there's more unexplored territory in granular synthesis and convolution than there is in flanging...

Aye-aye, very true. While the processes themselves aren't necessarily forward thinking, the interfaces powering them most certainly are, and that's where the revolution lies fellow KvRites.

[plastic]

as long i cant afford a distressor, or some other box i will keep using stuff like vintage warmer, even if it sucks.
(90% good, 10% digital fizz)

i can't stand out-of-the-box digital coldness.

i'm definitely looking forward to new analog-modeling plugins if they are an improvement over existing products.
i certainly don't need another plugin that sucks.

it's like with the EQ's...how many EQ plugin does the world need...most of them suck, but last year some unknown company named sonaksis (or how it spells) released an EQ plugin which is the bomb.

for weird effects reaktor and the likes cover pretty much everything.
but there still isn't a really good tape compression plugin.

[dystonia_ek]

Good points, cron, but the distance between, for example, granular synthesis theory as it was developed in the 1950's and how it is actually being implemented now is considerable. It could be argued that there's more unexplored territory in granular synthesis and convolution than there is in flanging...

Aye-aye, very true. While the processes themselves aren't necessarily forward thinking, the interfaces powering them most certainly are, and that's where the revolution lies fellow KvRites.

Agreed.
Another possibly unrelated example: making synthesisers with keyboards (i.e. nudging people to approach the instrument as they would any other keyboard instrument) could also be interpreted as a backward step. Discuss.

[wrench45us]

1st why is it in these sort of threads I get the feeling whyterabbit is trained as a trial lawyer or barrister?

2nd some analog plugs may have been done to death, but there are qualitative subtle and not so subtle differences that I've come to appreciate as my ears have been trained a bit. There may be 10 free whatzits available, but it becomes more a matter of choosing the proper fit (and learning to tweak what's there for the optimum fit) But maybe that's not a concern for everyone.

agree on the granulator thing entirely. and like a lot of other sound manipulation there are certain algorithms that have only been possible to put into code as machines have gotten poweerful enough to handle the load.

[abi]

Geting back to the analog thing.. have u noticed that most analog plugins can simply be replaced/eliminated with good use of EQ?? ie. want an analog fat sounding song? well.. how about boost the bass a little, reduce the treble a little and add some noise into the song?? voila u got analog sound.. no need for a plugin. Same goes for all other vintage fx types.. urgh enough.. i'm even sick of talking about this

with an analog eq? well, perhaps...

try smartelectronix plugins
try reaktor
try max/msp
try grm tools
try soundhack spectral shapers
try waves transform bundle

and as you already should know, quit bitching.

[farlukar]

Instead of giving us boring stuff like that.. i want developers to actually USE their brain and put it to work.

You could hire one to work out your ideas....

we need NEW fx types to keep moving forward. It's common sense.

Common sense... I'd rather call such statements bollox

i'm even sick of talking about this

Well, stop doing it then.

[cron]

Good points, cron, but the distance between, for example, granular synthesis theory as it was developed in the 1950's and how it is actually being implemented now is considerable. It could be argued that there's more unexplored territory in granular synthesis and convolution than there is in flanging...

Aye-aye, very true. While the processes themselves aren't necessarily forward thinking, the interfaces powering them most certainly are, and that's where the revolution lies fellow KvRites.

Agreed.
Another possibly unrelated example: making synthesisers with keyboards (i.e. nudging people to approach the instrument as they would any other keyboard instrument) could also be interpreted as a backward step. Discuss.

Now that's an interesting point. I dare say it's true that putting keyboards on synthesisers has stifled experimentation quite a bit, as people just dial up a patch and play the thing like a piano. In fact, if you approach synths like that you can get more experimental with a real piano by preparing it/playing the strings from the inside etc etc.

It's one of the things I love about working inside modular hosts. You aren't forced into 'playing the host' with an inflexible control interface. While improved interfaces are a great way of facilitating the latest jaw dropping advances in sound design, the can also stifle creativity if they aren't suited to the algorithm/design they're bolted on to.

[whyterabbyt]

wrench45us 1st why is it in these sort of threads I get the feeling whyterabbit is trained as a trial lawyer or barrister?

No idea, your honour.

[Emerald Tablet]

Telling me to go F#@$ myself? what kind of lowlife are you?

someone sick of people who keep complaining
you dont like it dont buy it

have you even heard the difference between for instance http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1152.html or http://www.kvraudio.com/get/780.html

i mean the last one is very usefull low cpu and ok for a standard digital delay but its a world of difference with a anolog sounding delay and no you cant get the distinct character with a simple eq and a filter or so.

[Jafo]

Heh. Somebody's got to point out that for most analog effects, the market is pretty much, err... saturated...

[dystonia_ek]

Now that's an interesting point. I dare say it's true that putting keyboards on synthesisers has stifled experimentation quite a bit, as people just dial up a patch and play the thing like a piano. In fact, if you approach synths like that you can get more experimental with a real piano by preparing it/playing the strings from the inside etc etc.

I imagine that in certain circles, the 'Buchla mentality' vs. 'Moog mentality' was the PC vs. Mac debate of its day...

It could be said, though, that the approach or attitude toward the sound being made tends to determine how forward-thinking it is. The recent thread here about Delia Derbyshire's 1963 theme for Doctor Who makes me wonder about ways that the current software environment can be pushed to the limit (or beyond it) in the same way that people were pushing the limits of tape technique in the early 60's... wondering where the next generation of Xenakises and Dockstaders are hiding...

[Emerald Tablet]

Heh. Somebody's got to point out that for most analog effects, the market is pretty much, err... saturated...

perhaps it is

but i wouldnt complain about having a wide choice