Korg multi/poly

[revvy]

I'm honestly a bit puzzled as to why you're choosing to be so forceful in your opinions here.

You must be new here.

[BONES]

This is not a question of "integrity," but rather the accuracy of specific aspects of a relatively minor claim.

For a journalist, getting it right is absolutely a matter of integrity.

As far as your "direct recollection," unless you were actually involved in Yamaha and Korg business at the time, your memories would presumably be based on rumors from the popular press at the time. That isn't particularly compelling as an argument.

Right, so every reputable publication could have got it wrong, just like the Democrats stole the 2020 election. Grow the f**k up.

I've corrected this "Yamaha owned Korg" misconception at various times over the years, based both on my direct experience of having worked at Korg R&D since 1990 (as previously described) and information from others at Korg.

Now you are changing your story - yesterday it was that nobody ever mentioned it, today you're saying that they told you all about it. Even if that's true, it would be hearsay.

[serge]

Bro, that Yamaha connection is over 30 years old at this point. At the risk of disrupting the usual KVR thread style, can I suggest we shift from history to a discussion of the device itself?

@Dan, I’m curious if Korg has considered a joystick instead of a Kaoss pad for the multi/poly?

[danatkorg]

I've corrected this "Yamaha owned Korg" misconception at various times over the years, based both on my direct experience of having worked at Korg R&D since 1990 (as previously described) and information from others at Korg.

Now you are changing your story - yesterday it was that nobody ever mentioned it, today you're saying that they told you all about it. Even if that's true, it would be hearsay.

Um, no. Read what I wrote again, since apparently you're confused.

Grow the f**k up.

I've been very patient with you. Good luck in your future endeavors.

[zvenx]

Good time to insert my all time favourite kvr post:

andy vs bones kvr joke.jpg

It is always futile to try to debate someone who thinks they are ALWAYS right, regardless of facts or data.

rsp

[danatkorg]

@Dan, I’m curious if Korg has considered a joystick instead of a Kaoss pad for the multi/poly?

I’m biased, because Kaoss Physics was initially my idea (and was then implemented and expanded by other members of the Korg R&D team). With that as background, much as I have a fondness for the Wavestation and Wavestate joysticks, Kaoss Physics has a lot more to offer. You can use it as a simple XY controller, which is perfect for some applications - and then on the next sound you can use it to do smoothed x/y that gradually returns to center when you lift your finger, or create complex motion from simple gestures.

So, to your question: Kaoss Physics was part of the multi/poly concept from the beginning.

[D-Fusion]

Hi Dan
Will it be released a Module or a Native vst version of the Multi/Poly?

[danatkorg]

Hi Dan
Will it be released a Module or a Native vst version of the Multi/Poly?

Hi! I can't answer this sort of question, sorry.

[D-Fusion]

Hi Dan
Will it be released a Module or a Native vst version of the Multi/Poly?

Hi! I can't answer this sort of question, sorry.

Thats ok
But it never hurt to ask

[BazJacuzzi]

Bones is an embarrassment to this forum. When will he finally get banned?

[D-Fusion]

Bones is an embarrassment to this forum. When will he finally get banned?

Free Speech needs to be protected and if you don't like what a certain person says you can always move along and not read that persons posts

[zvenx]

But here is the thing...

I will use another forum as my main example.. I am part of another public forum mostly comprised of film composers where we have the privilege, yes i say privilege of having both Charlie Clouser and Hans Zimmer as posters.

Not all members are equal...

So don't want an asshole (worse yet an anonymous one) jumping all over them and eventually losing their participation on that forum? hell no.. for me that person needs to go, they really aren't as important on that forum.

Here afaik Dan is the only Korg person who posts with any regularity so for a thread like this for me is more equal (animal farm language) than Me, Bones, almost everyone else who posts here.
rsp

[serge]

@Dan, I’m curious if Korg has considered a joystick instead of a Kaoss pad for the multi/poly?

I’m biased, because Kaoss Physics was initially my idea (and was then implemented and expanded by other members of the Korg R&D team). With that as background, much as I have a fondness for the Wavestation and Wavestate joysticks, Kaoss Physics has a lot more to offer. You can use it as a simple XY controller, which is perfect for some applications - and then on the next sound you can use it to do smoothed x/y that gradually returns to center when you lift your finger, or create complex motion from simple gestures.

So, to your question: Kaoss Physics was part of the multi/poly concept from the beginning.

The Kaoss Physics controller on the Modwave is fantastic, and I love how it adds a new dimension to performance. However, I do have one issue that stands out: the visual feedback can be tricky for me, especially when using both the Kaoss pad and the Mod Knobs simultaneously.

Here's what happens: when I'm recording a performance, I’ll often use the Kaoss pad for modulation while tweaking the Mod Knobs. But as soon as I adjust a knob, the display shifts to show the knob movement instead of the Kaoss Physics interface. To get the Kaoss display back, I have to press the Kaoss button, which interrupts my flow since I have to take my fingers off the knobs.

By contrast, the joystick (even though it has a fraction of the functionality of the Kaoss pad) gives a consistent physical and visual reference, making it easier to stay in control. I can imagine that on something like the Multi/Poly, with four oscillators, having a more static visual indicator would be even more helpful.

I've been experimenting with some workarounds, like using different fingers for different tasks—ring finger on the Kaoss pad, thumb on a Mod Knob, and keeping my index finger ready to press the Kaoss button. But that’s a bit of a finger gymnastics routine.

I'm curious if anyone else has run into this on the Modwave or the Multi/Poly. I definitely wouldn’t trade the Kaoss Physics for a joystick, but if there were a way to make the visual indicator more static—maybe through a preference setting to keep the Kaoss display active—I’d be perfectly happy. Given that the knobs aren’t endless encoders, their positions are already clear, so perhaps there's already an option to make this work?

[BONES]

Um, no. Read what I wrote again, since apparently you're confused.

Here's what you wrote - "If Yamaha "owned" Korg during this time, it was never mentioned; if Korg operated as a "subsidiary" of Yamaha during this time (as in the cited book), it was never mentioned either."
Then you said -"information from others at Korg".

So which was it, "never mentioned by anyone" or "information from others at Korg"? Clearly, it can't have been both. It's also quite clear from your writing that you made an assumption, based on a lack of any mention. OTOH, lots of us remember what was in the media at the time as reprinted in the industry's most trusted publication and repeated in two different Wikipedia articles. If those articles are inaccurate, why haven't Korg and/or Yamaha corrected them? Of course, if you do a search you'll find more references to it, like this one in an article about the history of the Original Wavestation - "When Sequential ceased operations in 1989 Yamaha purchased the company, Korg was part owned by Yamaha at that point".

[danatkorg]

Um, no. Read what I wrote again, since apparently you're confused.

Here's what you wrote - "If Yamaha "owned" Korg during this time, it was never mentioned; if Korg operated as a "subsidiary" of Yamaha during this time (as in the cited book), it was never mentioned either."
Then you said -"information from others at Korg".

So which was it, "never mentioned by anyone" or "information from others at Korg"? Clearly, it can't have been both.

Actually, what I've written here is completely self-consistent, as I believe the general reader should easily understand.

The first two statements refer to the time period in question, from when I joined Korg R&D in 1990 until 1993 or so when Kato-san bought back the shares from Yamaha. They also refer quite specifically to my firsthand experience during that time, as to whether in the course of my work at R&D, designing products such as the Wavestation SR, it was ever mentioned - or indeed if we ever had any indication - that Yamaha "owned" Korg or that we were a "subsidiary" of Yamaha. It was not mentioned, and we had no such indication.

The rumor that Yamaha "owned" Korg was already around at that time, however. The third statement refers to discussions with other people at Korg (Korg USA, for example) about that topic.

"When Sequential ceased operations in 1989 Yamaha purchased the company, Korg was part owned by Yamaha at that point".

I don't object to that statement at all, as I trust my previous responses here would also indicate.

Various KVR folks have indicated to me, both publicly and privately, that it's not useful to continue this conversation with you. I am going to respect their take on the matter.