Maschine 3.0 coming in November 2024

[apoclypse]

I try to avoid the drama and witch hunts on KVR. I am pissed that they have made my Komplete Kontrol MK2 keyboard obsolete. That was an expensive controller and supposed to be central to the NI ecosystem when launched and saw almost zero development and integration enhancements with Maschine over the product lifecycle. I have a MK III Maschine and usually upgrade my hardware when the option exists. I won’t this time. NI has lost me as a customer.

NI had something going.

It's why I've moved away from buying NI stuff. I got burned too many times where they obsolete plugins or hardware because they want you to buy their new stuff.

[apoclypse]

Once again another major upgrade to Maschine and it still does only one time signature in a project.

"Major" upgrade. LOL. This is 2.x update at best. The fact that they are even charging for the upgrade in my opinion is a slap in the face of all their customers.

[RobGee]

Stem separation

[machinesworking]

Once again another major upgrade to Maschine and it still does only one time signature in a project.

"Major" upgrade. LOL. This is 2.x update at best. The fact that they are even charging for the upgrade in my opinion is a slap in the face of all their customers.

Don't disagree it's the type of upgrade Akai has been doing for free for years now, I'm more referring to the 2-3 jump and their version of "major".

[Jolaff]

From novembre 6 they won't support Maschine MK2 ....does that mean version 3 will be out on november 6 ?



https://community.native-instruments.co ... f-maschine

[BBFG#]

From novembre 6 they won't support Maschine MK2 ....does that mean version 3 will be out on november 6 ?



https://community.native-instruments.co ... f-maschine

So it's a really bad idea to ever buy hardware from them.

[machinesworking]

So it's a really bad idea to ever buy hardware from them.

Yep, I've had two out of three pieces of hardware from them get deprecated.

I have a Komplete Kontrol MKII and to be fair the MKIII in particular with it's ability to map Kontakt instruments without the Komplete plugin, poly aftertouch and MIDI assignable knobs is deprecation proof.

[BBFG#]

So it's a really bad idea to ever buy hardware from them.

Yep, I've had two out of three pieces of hardware from them get deprecated.

I have a Komplete Kontrol MKII and to be fair the MKIII in particular with it's ability to map Kontakt instruments without the Komplete plugin, poly aftertouch and MIDI assignable knobs is deprecation proof.

They imply that every time.
Not buying that again.

[apoclypse]

From novembre 6 they won't support Maschine MK2 ....does that mean version 3 will be out on november 6 ?



https://community.native-instruments.co ... f-maschine

So it's a really bad idea to ever buy hardware from them.

Short answer: Yes.

This is how crap NI is. I have Guitar Rig 5. It's installed on my Apple Silicon machine and works just fine. However it breaks if I update their stupid Native Access app and won't activate. I've reached out to their support and their solution is to download and use an ancient version of Native Access and never touch it again. That means I can't update any of the NI software I have installed on my machine if I want to continue using Guitar Rig 5. I bet you money the same will happen with Maschine 2 at some point. I have a lot of projects that uses GR and Maschine.

This kind of thing is what sours a customer loyalty. I was a ride or die NI customer. I bought the Traktor S4 when it was first released (I'm not a DJ), I bought Maschine 1 day one, I bought Maschine Studio day one. I bought Kore 1, Kore 2 day one, and would update Komplete yearly. My most recent purchase was a Maschine Plus but that was secondhand. Now? I'm still on Komplete 11 and have no plans to ever update again and have made it my mission over the last 5-6 years to move away from NI altogether.

I know this isn't an NI rant thread but they frustrate me so much. They used to be so great.

[machinesworking]

I know this isn't an NI rant thread but they frustrate me so much. They used to be so great.

I've owned Komplete since v2. Absynth 2 was my gateway drug, and personally it's always been a more rocky ride on Mac OS with NI than other developers. They promised a smooth transition to OSX and had an update plan you paid into, didn't happen. The only plugin that didn't take years was Absynth, a mac OS developers plugin NI bought. Reaktor wasn't stable until v4.7 or so. Then they famously blamed Apple for their lame slow transition to Intel Macs (they had been warned years ago to switch from Codewarrior and ignored the warnings. The intel to Apple Silicon transition was obviously done with incremental change to the OS to facilitate a smoother move, NI fought it the whole way just like they always have.
During all of this they deprecated Kompact, Intakt, Elektric and Akoustic Piano, B4, Spektral Delay, Pro 53, Kore, and eventually Absynth, and maybe at some point Reaktor it's looking like.

Hardware wise, all older audio interfaces do not work on Mac OS, and did not long before Apple Silicon, they deprecated all Rig Kontrol versions, Kore 2. Recently Komplete Kontrol v1 and now Maschine MKI and MKII.


You can blame some of this on all the moves Apple has made, but it's really the case that when you have a company that deprecates at the rate of or faster than Apple, it's just a frustrating experience if you want to upgrade your OS to deal with large ubiquitous companies like NI who barely accommodate roughly half their clientele by fighting Mac OS.

IMO though, they've always been the same, it's just the recent transitions really point it out to people, and there was about a ten year period where they didn't screw anything up. Then Kore was deprecated, Maschine has had dozens of near IMO useless upgrades, at least in terms of making it DAW like, like MPC etc. and we're here now with the recent deprecations of Komplete Kontrol 1 and Maschine mkii.

[apoclypse]

I know this isn't an NI rant thread but they frustrate me so much. They used to be so great.

I've owned Komplete since v2. Absynth 2 was my gateway drug, and personally it's always been a more rocky ride on Mac OS with NI than other developers. They promised a smooth transition to OSX and had an update plan you paid into, didn't happen. The only plugin that didn't take years was Absynth, a mac OS developers plugin NI bought. Reaktor wasn't stable until v4.7 or so. Then they famously blamed Apple for their lame slow transition to Intel Macs (they had been warned years ago to switch from Codewarrior and ignored the warnings. The intel to Apple Silicon transition was obviously done with incremental change to the OS to facilitate a smoother move, NI fought it the whole way just like they always have.
During all of this they deprecated Kompact, Intakt, Elektric and Akoustic Piano, B4, Spektral Delay, Pro 53, Kore, and eventually Absynth, and maybe at some point Reaktor it's looking like.

Hardware wise, all older audio interfaces do not work on Mac OS, and did not long before Apple Silicon, they deprecated all Rig Kontrol versions, Kore 2. Recently Komplete Kontrol v1 and now Maschine MKI and MKII.


You can blame some of this on all the moves Apple has made, but it's really the case that when you have a company that deprecates at the rate of or faster than Apple, it's just a frustrating experience if you want to upgrade your OS to deal with large ubiquitous companies like NI who barely accommodate roughly half their clientele by fighting Mac OS.

IMO though, they've always been the same, it's just the recent transitions really point it out to people, and there was about a ten year period where they didn't screw anything up. Then Kore was deprecated, Maschine has had dozens of near IMO useless upgrades, at least in terms of making it DAW like, like MPC etc. and we're here now with the recent deprecations of Komplete Kontrol 1 and Maschine mkii.

Yeah. I've owned Komplete since version 4 so a little later than you.

While I agree that the changes made by Apple were probably a pain, NI imo is solely to blame here. They have terrible development practices, a lot of technical debt they can't seem to ever get rid of. They seem to lose developers that worked on key software a lot so they can never fix issues or develop their software further than just maintenance work for the most part.

It's extremely frustrating because NI used to be so innovative, their hardware is actually pretty good. But they are constantly being failed by their software team. The Kore controller was built like a tank. All aluminum, touch sensitive knobs, not even 4 years later deprecated and useless.

[apoclypse]

It's out by the way

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... 54dfbbf190

[Piotr979]

First review https://www.musicradar.com/music-tech/s ... socialflow
not great btw.

[Old Norse]

Choice quote from the review linked above:

"It’s almost comedic to tout the addition of MIDI tools as basic as split, join and mute as major new features, when compared to what else the market has to offer right now. Where are, for example, the probability and generative tools, Euclidean sequencers, conditional sequences or MPE capabilities that would help Maschine compete with other software tools? To bill this as a step into a new generation after 11 years and offer such a dearth of features worth getting excited about is incredibly underwhelming."

[andrew71]

It's out by the way

https://www.native-instruments.com/en/p ... 54dfbbf190

…and NI’s site is down…