Cherry Audio's next synth is (probably) a Polivoks on steroids

[EnGee]

I think PS-20 is the best MS-20 emu I have heard. Side-by-side reviews back that up, it's very close. I think it is better than Korg's.

And the price - $29 - is incredible.

Thanks for mentioning this. I’ll check it out. I thought Arturia’s MS-20 emulation is the best one! What about PS3300? I’m on the fence about it. I have seen several videos, but I think I need to test the demo myself.

To be honest, I’m not in hurry about other synths as I want to spend enough time with Atomika in my next piece. I might add to it 2 other synths (as my backlog is increasing about using synths I purchased last two years!).

[stoopicus]

It's quite close

[BONES]

That's a technical fact, doesn't mean its good/bad. It just so happens you don't like that.

It kind of does, in that it limits the usefulness of the instrument, which is a bad thing in an objective way. OTOH, the way you can dial in the non-linearities in Atomika actually makes it more useful, because it can do all the boring things as well as the other stuff. More importantly, it does those boring things with very high sound quality, which makes it doubleplus good.

If you like something, use it. If you don't, don't. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.

But you're not talking about "like", you're saying it is "bad", which is a very different thing and complete bullshit.

[IvyBirds]

That's a technical fact, doesn't mean its good/bad. It just so happens you don't like that.

It kind of does, in that it limits the usefulness of the instrument,

Actually it doesn't. It's a tool nothing more and nothing less

Once again however you are assuming your personal taste holds any relevance. It really doesn't and neither does mine or anyone else's

There are times when you don't need an instrument that fills all available spectrum as such losing a bit of low end when you crank up the resonant filter can be a very good thing

There are other times when you might want to have a lots of end so you use a different tool like an Oberheim that compensates the low end when you crank the resonance

They are just tools, nothing more nothing less

[seafire]

But you're not talking about "like", you're saying it is "bad", which is a very different thing and complete bullshit.

Actually, I said it doesn't sound good to me. That's it. It's not up for debate. Move on.

[EnGee]

It's quite close

It is a CPU hog! I've tried it, but for moderate settings (unison/polyphony) and 2 x oversampling is OK.
I compared it with Arturia's MS-20 V demo and I found both sounds very good. I don't know which one is more faithful, nor I care! I liked the PS20 little bit more overall. I liked its character especially more and its sharpness. I think it cuts through the mix better than the Arturia's. It is very cheap to what it is really. Although, if they both have the same price, I would still go for the PS20. So I bought it with additional discount from JRR Shop

[BONES]

No, that's not what you said at all. Go back and read it.

Actually it doesn't. It's a tool nothing more and nothing less

Yes, it does and if you don't understand that, what tiny amount of credibility you may have had is completely shot.

Once again however you are assuming your personal taste holds any relevance.

No, that's your problem. I have no trouble differentiating between good & bad and like & don't like.

There are times when you don't need an instrument that fills all available spectrum as such losing a bit of low end when you crank up the resonant filter can be a very good thing

No, I don't think that's the case at all. It's a design flaw, one freely admitted to by the guy who designed it. A necessary compromise to keep the cost down. People who know what they are talking about, like Nick Batt at Sonicstate, regularly criticise synths for exactly the same issue.

There are other times when you might want to have a lots of end so you use a different tool like an Oberheim that compensates the low end when you crank the resonance

That's not how they work. They get their huge bottom end because the resonance works all the way down the frequency range so as the filter closes, the resonant peak follows it down to zero. It's only in instruments like GForce's MiniMonsta that they (optionally) boost the bottom end to compensate for the attenuation of their emulated ladder filter. With a proper filter it isn't necessary.

[BONES]

Speak of the devil!

[IvyBirds]

No, I don't think that's the case at all. It's a design flaw, one freely admitted to by the guy who designed it. A necessary compromise to keep the cost down.

But that is not an issue with plugins, that design flaw becomes a tool.

It's one of the characteristics of a Minimoog one that gets modeled, component costs are not relevant with plugins

It gives the Minimoog it's characteristic sound. That either works for you or it doesn't. When I want that sound in 2024, I just use a plugin. If I want a Polivocks sound I can just use Atomika

Limited parts availability inside of the Iron Curtain most certainly caused compromises in the Polivocks as well. Much like the Minimoog those compromises give it character that can be modeled

We live in a fantastic time when all of these design flaws and the character they create can be modeled in very inexpensive plugins and offer things like polyphony that the original hardware never did

They are all just tools

[seafire]

Speak of the devil!

The video confirms even more its not for me. Sounds too Russian.

[BONES]

But that is not an issue with plugins, that design flaw becomes a tool.

No, it is simply perpetuating a f**k-up, instead of making something better. GForce took years to do something about it in MiniMonsta but Korg were smart enough to slap a SEM style filter in their ARP 2600 from the get-go. It's something that is broken and needed to be fixed. So if it is a tool, then, like the hardware it's based on, it's not a very good one. Yes, it has its uses but it definitely doesn't deserve the place it holds in many people's minds.

It gives the Minimoog it's characteristic sound.

No, that's down to the oscillators. The filter just f**ks it up.

That either works for you or it doesn't.

No, it simply doesn't work as it should, "you" never enters into it.

When I want that sound in 2024, I just use a plugin. If I want a Polivocks sound I can just use Atomika

That's a retarded way of looking at it, given that nobody will know what synth you used when they listen to your music. When I'm looking for a sound, it's always a NOVAkILL sound and there are very few synths that can't deliver that for me.

They are all just tools

Some tools get the job done better than others. A craftsman uses the best tools he can find, not just some old tool that he remembers from his youth. That's why Snap-On can charge $100 for a simple screwdriver (and they do).

[svart]

It seems like every time I try to open a Cherry Audio plugin, I have to log in to use it (don't use them often). Is this normal? Totally unacceptable

[Shabdahbriah]

Speak of the devil!

[machinesworking]

It seems like every time I try to open a Cherry Audio plugin, I have to log in to use it (don't use them often). Is this normal? Totally unacceptable

You need to have your computer online and your plugin registered on Cherrys site, if those two things are true then it will register your plugin.

[IvyBirds]

But that is not an issue with plugins, that design flaw becomes a tool.

No, it is simply perpetuating a f**k-up, instead of making something better.

Hilarious would you like Atomika if they made it better so it was very clean and didn't have a filthy filter that could create distortion? Of course not

When you make an emulation of a classic synth you emulate it the best you can, you don't make "improvements". The Minimoog is used on kinds of classic records including for bass

If you "improve" the Minimoog it's no longer a Minimoog