What are some AI music generator app that integrates with DAW?

[2Charlie]

I like Soundful and Soundraw but it does not seem to integrate with Ableton Live. I'm looking to try some AI music generator app that is able to integrate with my Ableton Live or at least output a MIDI file not just wave file. Any suggestions? Thanks!

[jules99]

https://www.evabeat.com/

[Tiles]

You could use Audio to Midi, and continue with the midi data in your DAW. There is also software to split songs into their single tracks. That way you could use any AI tool to create melodies and songs.

[mixyguy2]

Or you could just buy Band in a Box that spits out a song for you and you sign your name to it, pretending that you wrote/played it, pretending to deserve credit in any way.

[sergiesharee]

I find it easier to make your own music than to scroll thru AI variants. Sometimes its good but theres no satisfaction in that.

[mixyguy2]

I find it easier to make your own music than to scroll thru AI variants. Sometimes its good but theres no satisfaction in that.

Sadly, it appears for some people there is. smh

[seventysevenclub]

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been using https://www.midimate.com/ (https://www.midimate.com/) - super easy to export the generated MIDI file and drag it into my DAW. Has made me much faster at starting new tracks and trying out different ideas for chords/melodies.

[waxtrax]

I just became aware of this: https://4chambersound.com/pinkai/

Although it looks very interesting, I personally didn't get it because it is limited just to Ableton Live. However, since that's your intended use case, this might be perfect for you.

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To the old gatekeeping people that like to tell other people what "real" music is and what it should be, this is just a sad, old, and tired argument that has been going on forever. Classical purists will tell you that if electricity was involved in making the sound, that's not real music. Other people will say that doing anything at all with sampling is not real music. Other people will say that if you speak the words instead of singing them, that is not real music.

For those people: stop being so concerned with what you think music should be and how it should be created. Music is art and freedom of expression, regardless of form. If it brings any kind of emotion to the person creating it (or not!), regardless of the creation method, that is perfectly valid. It doesn't mean you have to enjoy it or listen to it, but what value are you adding by putting any form of music down or how it was created?

In the case of generative music, is it not valid to have something generate the notes for you, but you take those notes as an input to your choice of sound generation? Is it inconceivable that people can receive tremendous enjoyment from that? How is that ultimately different from someone changing the sound of a guitar by connecting it to an effect pedal? If it's simply because they used their fingers to create the initial notes instead of pushing a button, does that negate any music ever created that involved any kind of sequencer?

Stop gatekeeping. What is it that you think you're trying to protect?

[eLawnMust]

I just became aware of this: https://4chambersound.com/pinkai/

Although it looks very interesting, I personally didn't get it because it is limited just to Ableton Live. However, since that's your intended use case, this might be perfect for you.

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To the old gatekeeping people that like to tell other people what "real" music is and what it should be, this is just a sad, old, and tired argument that has been going on forever. Classical purists will tell you that if electricity was involved in making the sound, that's not real music. Other people will say that doing anything at all with sampling is not real music. Other people will say that if you speak the words instead of singing them, that is not real music.

For those people: stop being so concerned with what you think music should be and how it should be created. Music is art and freedom of expression, regardless of form. If it brings any kind of emotion to the person creating it (or not!), regardless of the creation method, that is perfectly valid. It doesn't mean you have to enjoy it or listen to it, but what value are you adding by putting any form of music down or how it was created?

In the case of generative music, is it not valid to have something generate the notes for you, but you take those notes as an input to your choice of sound generation? Is it inconceivable that people can receive tremendous enjoyment from that? How is that ultimately different from someone changing the sound of a guitar by connecting it to an effect pedal? If it's simply because they used their fingers to create the initial notes instead of pushing a button, does that negate any music ever created that involved any kind of sequencer?

Stop gatekeeping. What is it that you think you're trying to protect?

Gatekeeping?... Uhh, No, there's no gate... This sounds like what I would expect from someone who does not know music very well... There's been 'garbage' music forever, it's just way worse now problem is that so many think that it is worth posting so others can cringe at it... Way too much soundFX being touted as music... Take all that damn FX OFF your tune, if it sounds like Playkool & does not sound good 'standalone' then try learning some actual music...

What's worse is so many think they gotta start a new 'genre' because of a slight different often non-musical addition I guess for the dopamine hit well since there's now over what 5,000 genres it's pointless to even discuss...

Here's a sign of crapola... Drums too loud overtaking all other instruments (because that's all they can play), Lack of any chord progression perhaps might be a major or minor but never any compound chords "We'll let FX take up the space", Volume up high & too fast BPMs absolutely no note shaping whatsoever... All their tunes 'sound the same', etc, etc...

[waxtrax]

I love it when someone comes along and immediately proves my point. Thank you!

[kritikon]

First off, I own up to being an old fart and have absolutely no doubt that there is a shitload of music that I think is pants. I also fail to see the point of AI for music only in that most of us here are into the enjoyment of making music, or the process of it, so AI kinda nullifies the actual enjoyment of making music. I personally think it likely many want to use AI only because they think it might be an easy route to make some cash - which in itself is nothing wrong but you chose the wrong scheme if you think music is going to get you rich quick. The odds are highly stacked against you more so than most other things.

BUT, having said that, if anyone wants to use AI, fair game to them. If they want to make whatever kind of music, no matter how derivative and however similar to other tracks, with however the f**k many FX they want, then go for it and I hope they get what they want from it. I like FX, music is not at all about verse/bridge/chorus and it would be truly fkn tedious if that was all it was, especially if it involved inconsequential drivel vocals about love or personal misery that is so cliche and derivative and has been the fkn same for centuries .

AND, last parting shot. If anyone came on here and starting banging on about how gays or trannies or whatever are a fad, wrong, goes against established culture so should be smacked down, is an easy way out because you get your end away more easily or any guff like that - you'd quite rightly get short shrift. Sadly there are 1 or 2 here that are R wing nutjobs and they do rightly get short shrift for anti gay, trannie or whatever rhetoric fortunately.
So the link here is...anyone thinks it's OK to be a reactionary, intolerant and dismissive old NIMBY about music...apply that to other aspects of life and take a proper look at how that makes you. Would you be happy smacking down anyone gay? Anyone black? Support the MAGA nonsense? The drivel you spout about intolerance to music comes from EXACTLY the same place. Intolerance of anything not your own accepted normal. Just saying. I may not like an awful lot of music but generally I keep that to myself because I know what it makes me sound like when I spout off. I'm not 100% innocent, but I'm ugly when I give in to that garbage and I recognise it. Maybe some others should look harder too. Just saying.

[guitarzan]

I’m interested in AI that integrates within a DAW too, so I’ll be watching this thread.

I play guitar and all I was ever really interested in DAWs and plugins in the first place was in order to create a jam band to bounce ideas around.

I don’t want to know all about drum parts or keys — if I was in a jam band the keyboard player would know all about keys, the drummer would know all about drums, etc… I would just worry about the guitar, and that’s the way I want it.

I think AI assistance in coming up with jam tracks will be extremely valuable as it advances… “I want to go from this progression to something we can do an extended mixolydian jam over”, or conversely, the DAW AI when queried could say, “well, this progression would lend itself to dorian modal jamming”, then show some tab where the mode, scale or patterns suggested can be found on the fretboard, or triads/inversions, arpeggios, etc. Maybe even standard riffs and phrases that would lend themselves to the genre being played.

It’s just the next step in generative music/accompaniment, and is no more “cheating” than a chord progression generator or any of the other accompaniment tools that have been in use for decades. It’s just going to be better at it.

[waxtrax]

Have a look at the AI session players in the latest version of Logic Pro:
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/05/ ... -features/

Mac-only, of course. If you're not a Mac person but something like this interests you, used Apple Silicon Macs can be had for less than $500 now for the M1 series.

[guitarzan]

Have a look at the AI session players in the latest version of Logic Pro:
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/05/ ... -features/

Mac-only, of course. If you're not a Mac person but something like this interests you, used Apple Silicon Macs can be had for less than $500 now for the M1 series.

My next system will be probably be something cheap with an M1 — I’ve hated every version of Windows past XP, and those M1 processors can edit 4K raw video with much more ease and grace than any hot smoking noisy overclocked X86 based POS too somehow.

[waxtrax]

The biggest thing that sucks about modern Macs is you can't upgrade the RAM or built-in storage. But the Apple Silicon architecture does use RAM more efficiently. I was amazed how much stuff I could do with an 8GB M1 system as a hobbyist. Pro users obviously need a "pro" system like a Mac Studio or Mac Pro. Lack of storage is a pain in the butt for laptops, but if you get a desktop version such as a cheap used Mac Mini, it is very easy to add external high-speed NVMe storage to it. You can even make the larger external storage the primary disk if you want to.