Free Waves IDX Intelligent Dynamics

[meloco_go]

The thing is cool actually. Quite generous to give it away.

[2:43AM]

BF2024 is about as exciting as the GUI of this plugin.

[martinjuenke]

BF2024 is about as exciting as the GUI of this plugin.

Yeah, really sexy.

[jamcat]

I wouldn’t go so far as to call it a scandal. But it is a subscription plan by another name. Once you are assimilated into the Waves ecosystem, you’re faced with maintenance fees for life which far surpass the value of the plugins.

It’s just something to keep in mind when accepting their generous “gift.”

cut the shit. You know full well that all waves plug ins work without the need to wup. Oh, its jamcat

Pretty sure this is just code for "I have a Mac but don't want to accept the consequences of my own decisions".

All of my Waves plugins work on Apple Silicon. They have GUI resizing (though most look like shit when enlarged even a little.) But I still found them to be too much of a hassle to bother with. I had been working cross-platform on Windows and Mac, and losing one of my authorizations after my WUP expired made it too much of a burden to continue working with Waves plugins. After ditching the Windows DAW and consolidating to an M1 MacBook Pro, I thought about returning to some of my Waves plugins, but the problem is they're all V13 or V14. Sure they still work (and I never claimed otherwise) but I don't like running out-of-date software, and I would have to pay Waves more money than I spent on the plugins originally, to get them to V15.

The irony here is the consequences of a decision to take a 'free' Waves plugin is you're trapped in their pay-to-update scheme for life. This includes even simple bug fixes.

I've had Waves Plugins since 2012, I have not once WUP.

That would put you on V9. Waves are on V15 now.
Here's the list of all of the updates you've missed out on:
https://www.waves.com/downloads/release-notes

Lots of stuff in there fixing CPU spikes, audio glitches and drop-outs, automation, corrupted values, crashes, non-working toggles and controls, stability bugs, audio level changes, load times and errors...

Plus of course the headliners like hi-res graphics, GUI resizing, updated Waveshells, and processor/OS/DAW-specific compatibility updates.

[jens]

I wouldn’t go so far as to call it a scandal. But it is a subscription plan by another name. Once you are assimilated into the Waves ecosystem, you’re faced with maintenance fees for life which far surpass the value of the plugins.

It’s just something to keep in mind when accepting their generous “gift.”

That may be true for Mac-users and I love Waves for this - it's a super-elegant way of making those pay who are responsible for the bulk of maintenance work.
(After all it's your own personal choice to got with a platform that breaks with with every update.)

On Windows stuff just keeps working and working and there's no need for WUP at all - I laugh in your general direction, Apple-believers.

[jamcat]

That may be true for Mac-users and I love Waves for this - it's a super-elegant way of making those pay who are responsible for the bulk of maintenance work.
(After all it's your own personal choice to got with a platform that breaks with with every update.)

On Windows stuff just keeps working and working and there's no need for WUP at all - I laugh in your general direction, Apple-believers.

I haven’t experienced any difference between Mac and Windows as far as Waves plugins continuing to ‘work’. As I said, that hasn’t been the issue for me.

The issue is that your Waves investment doesn’t stay current for very long unless you keep doubling down. That is the basis of their business model, just like the drug pusher. It’s why they’ll give away plugins for free or for next to nothing. Maybe not everyone will bite, but enough will.

It wouldn't be KVR unless people just make up stuff to push their own hate agenda against Waves. We all know Jamcat just pushes this false narrative everytime Waves comes up....

It wouldn’t be KVR unless people piled on.
If you actually reviewed my posting history you’d see I’ve defended Waves as much as I’ve criticized them.

[seangm]

I do not like waves and their ecosystem at all, but lately I installed maxxbass on my win11 system that i've never updated with wup. I think it's version 9 (current is v15) and it runs perfectly fine. This looks more like an apple issue than a waves issue

This freebie looks nice, I think these new kind of tools that embrace digital are much more useful than modelling "a vintage compressor/eq from the 60s known for whatever" for the 900th time. Not sure yet if it can compete with lens though, but they probably just sounds different.

Yeah I'm still running V9 plugins from many years ago on my Windows 10 machine, I've never once paid for WUP and I can still use all my Waves stuff.

[cryophonik]

This plugin is actually very nice.

Totally agree! This will probably end up on many of my group buses. Now, how long until they release IDX Pro with more/deeper control?

[martinjuenke]

I wouldn’t go so far as to call it a scandal. But it is a subscription plan by another name. Once you are assimilated into the Waves ecosystem, you’re faced with maintenance fees for life which far surpass the value of the plugins.

It’s just something to keep in mind when accepting their generous “gift.”

That may be true for Mac-users and I love Waves for this - it's a super-elegant way of making those pay who are responsible for the bulk of maintenance work.
(After all it's your own personal choice to got with a platform that breaks with with every update.)

On Windows stuff just keeps working and working and there's no need for WUP at all - I laugh in your general direction, Apple-believers.

Apple users can afford the cross financing towards Windows users.
It's our kind of welfare spending.

[jens]

The issue is that your Waves investment doesn’t stay current for very long unless you keep doubling down.

Your angst is hilarious. The Waves V9 plugins I have (and still) use work exactly the same as they did ten years (or so) ago - like perfectly maintained hardware in that sense actually.

[jens]

Yeah I'm still running V9 plugins from many years ago on my Windows 10 machine, I've never once paid for WUP and I can still use all my Waves stuff.

It's the same here except that I'm on Windows 11.

[jamcat]

The issue is that your Waves investment doesn’t stay current for very long unless you keep doubling down.

Your angst is hilarious. The Waves V9 plugins I have (and still) use work exactly the same as they did ten years (or so) ago - like perfectly maintained hardware in that sense actually.

You probably didn’t have a 4k monitor 10 years ago. Perhaps you still don’t.

[martinjuenke]

This plugin is more intelligent than some posters here.

[jens]

You probably didn’t have a 4k monitor 10 years ago. Perhaps you still don’t.

I don't - it wouldn't make any difference though.

(I could explain to you why not, but I guess that'd be a mere waste of time&energy - let's just say that a whole lot of misunderstanding regarding higher pixel density is far more common than it should be)

[simon.a.billington]

It's not really a compressor you'd use for shaping sounds, but levelling it or getting more energy out of your signal it does very well indeed.