Alternatives to ShareIt/MyCommerce/Digital River

[Richard_Synapse]

For information, DR is not dead, it is still the official payment system for major company like ASUS Europe, i can't imagine large companies still using a payment system which doesn't pay!
So, i think DR is only removing the small vendors to concentrate only to major vendors.

They could just kick us out then and pay everything.

Richard

[samlee1024]

Would people be interested in joining a (private invite-only) Slack group as a location to:

- collect evidence and information
- share documents
- share lawyer contacts
- share steps taken in reporting to various authorities
- etc

This is in addition to this thread, because the thread is important in search engine traffic.

If there is interest, I will create and pay for the Slack group..

[sft234]

Has anyone received an October period statement (not the credit note)?

[Gh65b]

I got them on 2024-11-01 by mail... But after that month I switched to PayPro Global Inc. ... Subject in the mails was "MyCommerce Credit Note 31-OKT-2024 [CRN_P]" ...

[kvrsof]

Has anyone received an October period statement (not the credit note)?

No. Nothing here. Only credit notes.

[Gh65b]

It included product sales...but only the totals. Not listed individually per product like it always was, which is probably what you mean. The last time I received that was for September.

[Christian67587]

Would people be interested in joining a (private invite-only) Slack group as a location to

Sounds good. Maybe you like to invite everyone with a PM.

[xmstkvr]

Or are you suggesting that business owners should pay something to the tax authorities of their buyers across the globe?

Assuming we talk about downloadable software ("digital goods", "electronic service", whatever you will call it) here - yes, exactly. You didn't know that? Good luck then...

I am absolutely positive that the big software vendors, selling directly to end users, have a proper tax registration in every country they sell to. Because they would be committing tax fraud if they hadn't.

That being said...

- For B2B, there are reverse charge schemes in most countries (but not all of them, for example South Africa will only implemented it in April 2025).

- But for B2C you will always have to pay to the buyer's country's government, at their rate, if the local laws demand it.

- Some countries have a certain annual threshold, and as long as you stay below that, you don't have to charge VAT all.

- For B2C sales inside EU, there is the "one-stop shop" system which facilitates the process because you can route the money through your local tax office, but technically, you still pay to the buyer's country.

For me, selling through an MoR means that I don't have to worry about all of the local laws, worry about my shop doing the localization and caluclations correctly, and worry about the paperwork that it involves. I'm happily paying my MoR the extra 2% (on top of the raw credit card and PayPal fees I had if I sold directly) for giving me peace of mind.

Look you just keep doing what you are best at. Leave other tasks for the people who do them as their expertise. I don't know what you do as your business, I am pretty sure that it isn't e-commerce. But this doesn't mean you suck as a person even though you completely don't understand anything about it (e-commerce). It is just that you don't know when to let it go

What I am trying to tell you is that your presentation of "TAX compliance" is hugely misinformed and misunderstood and all your "worries" you keep presenting are being solved decades ago.

For example, you keep repeating as a broken record this one:

"I am absolutely positive that the big software vendors, selling directly to end users, have a proper tax registration in every country they sell to. Because they would be committing tax fraud if they hadn't."

But that is not correct. And no they are not doing any fraud. As an argument, because I knew in advance you would challenge my experience and beat a dead horse I provided you with examples of NI, UAD, or JRR shop. You are free to ask them do they have "a proper tax registration in every country they sell to" (whatever "proper means to you) - yet you failed to address that.

To insinuate that such big selling vendors, making huge figures didn't figure it out but you did it somehow and your claim how everyone should have a "proper" something in every country is completely absurd and insane. Try to understand this: You will NOT find JRR or XY tax registration in all countries they sell to. Now when you realize this is the case think about this if you don't believe me: Are you really that naive to think that online stores doing such huge figures do not own legal teams who didn't realize something like "hey...we need a proper tax registration in every country we sell to" - are you really that stubborn?

Take another example. Gumroad. they are making it easy for anyone to sell software. In software sales they are bigger than all three I mentioned earlier - combined. And their sellers are all over the world, buyers the same - all over the word.

Do you think Gumroad has a "proper tax registration" in every country? Ok, I challenge you. I picked a random EU country. Find me a Gumroad "proper tax registration" in Slovenia

Alternatively...Let me take someone big from the EU. Find me a "proper tax registration" for Thomann - the biggest musician online store selling hardware and software in the EU -

You won't find anything like that because it doesn't work like that. Stop being absurd and making a clown of yourself.

You guys are funny at times.

A little spin-off story from online experts such as yourself. Yesterday a person from Europe asked a USA software seller on their FB account why don't hey have a cookie notice plugin running on their website. Short explanation: EU business needs to have that. In the USA it is a bit different story but for the sake of making this simple keep up with me. Just know that USA businesses don't have the same shit as the EU.

Anyway here's the conversation (from my memory but around 95% correct):

person: why don't you have a "cookie notice" on your website?
USA business: why should we, I don't understand your issue.
person: I am from the EU and I am protected by the EU with a GDPR cookie notice, I could report you and you could pay a hefty fine!
USA business: I don't understand your issue and I am not under EU jurisdiction, what are you talking about?
person: crickets...nothing silence

Can you imagine the nerve of making such misinformation and then turning out so dumb it's unbelievable? But it goes with the territory of trying to teach someone a lesson over a subject you know nothing about...

[ChrisG_33_JB]

Would people be interested in joining a (private invite-only) Slack group as a location to

I am interested, too, please send me a PM with details.

[sjm]

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I don't want to derail this thread any further - I'm only following this because having worked in the payments industry I understand the complex issues that those affected by DR are facing. I'm not personally affected, it's just professional curiosity on my part.

Online commerce is a very challenging industry. These MOR providers exist for a reason - they provide a service that businesses need. For businesses of a certain size, the overheads that they would incur from dealing with these issues *themselves* is high enough that they outsource this to someone else. Setting up a website to accept payments is the easy part. The challenges are with the bureaucracy, different legislation in different jurisdictions, the various compliance challenges you need to meet in order to accept credit card payments etc. etc. I can tell you that you are woefully misinformed about pretty much everything you posted.

But that doesn't really matter. This isn't what this thread is about. It isn't a thread for educating people on the challenges of cross-border commerce. And it most definitely isn't the thread for you to solicit business in. It's a thread for those affected by a specific issue that threatens their businesses to come together and try and find solutions. Derailing that thread while people face what could be a threat to their livelihood is simply out of place.

We should all be able to respect that. If you want to argue about payment services and cross-border payments, create a thread for it. Or even better, just let it go. There's nothing to be gained from it anyway. But the short version is: yps is right, and knows their stuff.

[samlee1024]

Would people be interested in joining a (private invite-only) Slack group as a location to

Sounds good. Maybe you like to invite everyone with a PM.

Thanks Christian,
I private messaged you with the link to join. I don't know how to invite everyone with a PM..
If you wish to do it, please do so.

If we get traction, I'll upgrade this to a Pro plan so information is permanent (i.e. doesn't get deleted after some time).

My concern with keeping it private is that I want to keep the information hidden from DR/MyCommerce..

[sjm]

I don't know how to invite everyone with a PM..

I believe you need a certain number of posts before you can send PMs.

[7tltd]

I noticed one company I use software from still selling through MyCommerce (ShareIt purchase links) and asked them about receiving payments from MyCommerce and they told they have so far received all payments from MyCommerce, but with 2 month delay. Go figure.

How much? 3 Euro fünfzig?

[sft234]

Still no October period statement - that's crazy

[Gh65b]

We should take into account that they have announced a developer freeze until the beginning of January, perhaps they are working on the backend systems with a few remaining developers in order to be able to map the whole new process. This in turn has an impact on the fact that only fragments of reports and evaluations are generated. The whole construct seems to be on its last legs. In the meantime, questions that come in via the support center are billed at a nice $185/hour