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musicproducerdee wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:06 am If you'll had to choose between a Roland Cloud subscription or the UVI SonicPass subscription, which would you choose?

I'd rather not have a subscription as well, but if we had to?
That's a tough question. I own Falcon outright and I have subscribed off and on for a month or two (or three) to SonicPass so I could gain access to the huge sample library which I then sampled

The first observation as someone who has subscribed to both, is that the licensing/authorization software that UVI uses to keep SonicPass active on your computer is 1,000,000% better then what Roland uses. It just works and the Roland Cloud Manager hasn't for me.

Outside of that it comes down to how you want to work

SonicPass comes with Falcon and Falcon is very very deep. If you want a serious sound design tool Falcon is it. Falcon has multiple sound engines that do multiple synthesis types. While that is obviously a huge plus, it comes with a steep learning curve

The closest alternative in the Roland Cloud would be Zenology Pro. Zenology Pro can be a pretty deep sound design tool that you can make complex patches with. It doesn't have all the sound engine types Falcon has like Wavetables and Granular, however it's also way easier to learn

Falcon allows you to create deep layered patches. Zenology Pro allows you to layer four basic patches which can be either VA or sample based, but again it's a much easier process. Roland Cloud also has Galaxias which allows to layer a bunch of presets from all the instruments

The biggest difference is the rest of the two packages. With Roland you get virtual versions of a bunch of vintage Roland Instruments, and many of those are iconic. So if you want a virtual Jupiter 8 that you can program sounds on like a real Jupiter 8 you can

With UVI SonicPass you don't have that. You get Vintage Vault which has sample based instruments that represent tons of different vintage instruments. You can if course tweak the presets and if you lead the samples into Falcon use them to make really good sounding patches. With Falcon you can also use the VA engine to make any kind of "Analog" synth sound you can imagine

So if you want "authentic" emulations of classic Roland instruments the Cloud is the winner, if you want a variety of vintage instruments that are sampled exceptionally well and are comfortable with a sample based workflow UVI is the winner as you get a lot more than just Roland's instruments

One more point to consider is that the massive sample library that UVI has also includes an incredible amount of samples that are not vintage synths and keyboards. Orchestral, pianos, world instruments, and all kinds of weird sounds

Roland has that also in the SRX instruments from the old XV5080 expansion cards that Eric Persing made and they are in Zenology as well. You just get a lot more of them with UVI and since they are newer they tend to be longer and can have more articulations.

I said all that to say this. Issues with the authorizations in the software aside, UVI is awesome if you want a deep sound design synth in Falcon that can be difficult to learn and use and are also looking for a sample based workflow with a GIANT sample library

Roland Cloud is the winner if you want a deep sound design tool that is easier to use than Falcon and want virtual instruments over sampled one

Only you can decide what is best for you

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IvyBirds wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:02 am
musicproducerdee wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:06 am If you'll had to choose between a Roland Cloud subscription or the UVI SonicPass subscription, which would you choose?

I'd rather not have a subscription as well, but if we had to?
That's a tough question. I own Falcon outright...
What Samplers do you think are overall the best for mapping keys? Is Halion and Falcon up there?

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twal wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 12:23 pm
IvyBirds wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:02 am
musicproducerdee wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 2:06 am If you'll had to choose between a Roland Cloud subscription or the UVI SonicPass subscription, which would you choose?

I'd rather not have a subscription as well, but if we had to?
That's a tough question. I own Falcon outright...
What Samplers do you think are overall the best for mapping keys? Is Halion and Falcon up there?
I am blessed to own Kontact, Omnisphere, HALion, Falcon and a bunch of other sample based software.

In my opinion in 2024 soon to be 2025 without a doubt HALion7 is the best for importing samples, mapping them to keys and making sample based instruments.

It's also the only one that can actually record samples, but beyond that you can make new sample based instruments as complex or as simple as you want by loading in WAV files

HALion also comes with a pretty big sample library of sounds

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To be fair, the free version of TX16Wx actually samples and offers a ton of options for mapping, slicing, choking, and looping samples. It also offers automatic loop mapping and slicing and automatic pitch and tempo detection. The Pro version offers a lot more.

I'm not affiliated with the developer in any way. I just think this is a ridiculously good, full-featured "sampler" that actually samples while offering a ton of other features for free, and I'm not sure a lot of people know about it.

https://www.tx16wx.com/features/

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If we switch from Ultimate sub (with Play4Life) to Pro sub (with or without Play4Life), do we have to 'do' anything with our freebie keys that we have stored up?

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thenumber23 wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2024 9:32 pm If we switch from Ultimate sub (with Play4Life) to Pro sub (with or without Play4Life), do we have to 'do' anything with our freebie keys that we have stored up?
Hey thenumber23, your keys are secured regardless of what membership (or lack of) you switch to. If you have any problems with this, we be able to see all of this and be able to get it figured out for you!

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Shoutout to Jon@Roland for some exemplary customer service over the past couple of weeks. Really appreciate the help!

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I don’t understand this screen. Does this mean I can pick another 3 instruments and also. If I drop my subscription do I get to keep these?
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cyberheater wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:16 am I don’t understand this screen. Does this mean I can pick another 3 instruments and also. If I drop my subscription do I get to keep these?
Yes to both questions. I maxed the number of "Play 4 Life" licenses (10) during the time I susbscribed, and since what remained wasn't interesting and Roland Cloud appeared to be death (the future proved I was right) I cancelled my sybscriuption, and I just kept my "Play 4 Life" licenses (that's what "FOR LIFE" means in any dictionay).
Fernando (FMR)

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fmr wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:20 am
cyberheater wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:16 am I don’t understand this screen. Does this mean I can pick another 3 instruments and also. If I drop my subscription do I get to keep these?
Yes to both questions. I maxed the number of "Play 4 Life" licenses (10) during the time I susbscribed, and since what remained wasn't interesting and Roland Cloud appeared to be death (the future proved I was right) I cancelled my sybscriuption, and I just kept my "Play 4 Life" licenses (that's what "FOR LIFE" means in any dictionay).
Thank you so much.

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cyberheater wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:34 am
fmr wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:20 am
cyberheater wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:16 am I don’t understand this screen. Does this mean I can pick another 3 instruments and also. If I drop my subscription do I get to keep these?
Yes to both questions. I maxed the number of "Play 4 Life" licenses (10) during the time I susbscribed, and since what remained wasn't interesting and Roland Cloud appeared to be death (the future proved I was right) I cancelled my sybscriuption, and I just kept my "Play 4 Life" licenses (that's what "FOR LIFE" means in any dictionay).
Thank you so much.
Bear in mind that you'll have to keep your Roland Cloud account, keep Roland Cloud Manager installed, and login periodically (once every month, if I'm not mistaken) since it's the only authorization method Roland uses. Lame, but it is what it is.
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Fernando (FMR)

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I don't get why Roland seemingly put a limit on the number of Lifetime Keys a customer can get from a Cloud sub (I suppose there's no such limit on Lifetimes Keys bought separately?).

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the only thing active from the Roland Cloud is JON :), it is very sad to have another year (glad i unsubscribed already last year) full of disappointment.
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Is there a list somewhere that shows what updates there have been to whichever RC synths? It just seems that they are very few and far between.

The XV-5080 is only at version 1.0.4 and was released 5 years ago.

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