Help in recreating this sound?

[Parduz]

I'd like to understand how the attached sound (in the .zip file) is made, and hopefully recreate it on Vital (or, if not possible, in any free VST able to do that).
PS-55 Synth 1
That sound comes from a Yamaha PS-55, a keyboard from the early 80's.

Could someone help me?

[Ah_Dziz]

No offense to you but I'm not really into downloading an archive to listen to a sound. There are lots of free hosting services out there that will let you post a playable sound or MP3/ WAV.

[Parduz]

No offense to you but I'm not really into downloading an archive to listen to a sound. There are lots of free hosting services out there that will let you post a playable sound or MP3/ WAV.

Ok, added the link to the original post.

[DrGonzo]

I would recommend you to watch this video by Eric Bowman. He outlined a very good methodology on how to recreate any sounds.

https://youtu.be/MZpZaucYI4E

[Ah_Dziz]

Sounds like maybe a sample of a Moog or another Subtractive synth with low resonance and a pretty quick decay on the filter envelope. It sounds like it pretty quickly evens out into a loop ( which is why I'm assuming it's a sample based thing) I'm not really familiar with the Yamaha PS5.

[Parduz]

Sounds like maybe a sample of a Moog or another Subtractive synth with low resonance and a pretty quick decay on the filter envelope. It sounds like it pretty quickly evens out into a loop ( which is why I'm assuming it's a sample based thing) I'm not really familiar with the Yamaha PS5.

That keyboard only had samples for the drum sounds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g8f5dILEMs
In this video you can ear (briefly) the sound i need when it plays the "solo" section (rightmost bank - fifth button from the left).
I thought it was FM synthesis but i was told that it is not, so i'm completly clueless.

[Uncle E]

PCM wavetable synthesizer. You can see in the schematic (attached) that it uses the iG09510 for the solo and YM2022 for the orchestra, each with its own ROM. The YM2023 used for the rhythm is strictly PCM playback.

[Ah_Dziz]

Yeah. Moogish bass with a tiny loop after the filter envelope makes it to its sustain level.

[Parduz]

PCM wavetable synthesizer. You can see in the schematic (attached) that it uses the iG09510 for the solo and YM2022 for the orchestra, each with its own ROM. The YM2023 used for the rhythm is strictly PCM playback.

oh! this are great infos. Thanks a lot!!!

Yeah. Moogish bass with a tiny loop after the filter envelope makes it to its sustain level.

So is it doable by Vital?

[Agg]

So is it doable by Vital?

It's literally just 2 saw waves an octave apart. The actual hard part you could spend days on would be to get the exact filter settings and detuning/unison/pwm/ everything there is to the upper mid grit/movement.

Additional tip: Everything above 11k is brickwall-filtered off in the original sample (probably due to file conversions / hardware limitations), so you should try to achieve the same.

EDIT: Proof below (2nd sound is the original sample), feel free to check in spectrum analyzer:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/f67w0ot5 ... rb42e&dl=0

[Ah_Dziz]

There are a few "sampler" vsts that try very hard to recreate the sound of early gear tal makes one. You might be able to find sound fonts or other patch formats of some of the old Yamaha/ Casio/ etc keyboards if you want to get something. I'd guess that this sound would be labeled "synth bass" with a number. It might be from a general midi bank

[Parduz]

It's literally just 2 saw waves an octave apart. The actual hard part you could spend days on would be to get the exact filter settings and detuning/unison/pwm/ everything there is to the upper mid grit/movement.

Additional tip: Everything above 11k is brickwall-filtered off in the original sample (probably due to file conversions / hardware limitations), so you should try to achieve the same.

EDIT: Proof below (2nd sound is the original sample), feel free to check in spectrum analyzer:

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/f67w0ot5 ... rb42e&dl=0

Thanks a lot. Really.
It always surprises me when something is so obvious only after someone else show it. (which is the reason i've asked here: for you it may have been a question of two minutes - i don't know - but for me would have take days, if not get in it by accident).
Thanks again

There are a few "sampler" vsts that try very hard to recreate the sound of early gear tal makes one. You might be able to find sound fonts or other patch formats of some of the old Yamaha/ Casio/ etc keyboards if you want to get something. I'd guess that this sound would be labeled "synth bass" with a number. It might be from a general midi bank

The wav i've posted here came from a PS-55 soundfont. Problem is that the original sound is'nt "static" as the sampled one, 'cause the keyboard has an "obscure" effect called "celeste" that on the oscilloscope looks like a single peak going up and down in the exact center of the sound wave cycle, and that's something i want to emulate.

[Uncle E]

Might be more interesting to try to re-create the celeste effect. Then you can use it on anything. Try using a resonator. edit - It looks like all the effects are created using a BBD

[Ah_Dziz]

Probably it's a simple chorus. You can recreate it with a modulated delay. Getting something that is absotively the same will take some doing as well as finding a bbd emulation. You can emulate a bbd with a ton of sample and hold modules in a program like Reaktor or max/msp.

[Agg]

Thanks a lot. Really.
It always surprises me when something is so obvious only after someone else show it. (which is the reason i've asked here: for you it may have been a question of two minutes - i don't know - but for me would have take days, if not get in it by accident).
Thanks again