Phaseplant

[Jac459]

also i’ll echo the sentiment of getting the ultimate package. if you demo the synth and find it’s for you, the tools you’ll get with the ultimate package are well worth the cost.

The tools in Ultimate are nice to have, but are they really well worth the cost? I'm not sure about that. If Snap Heap and Multipass would support VST plugins, I would agree but as it is now I think the Ultimate package is a bit overpriced.

How much is it today ?

Ok, seems to be generally 400 dollars...

Indeed not cheap.

If I compare to Avenger 2 slightly over 200 dolls, clearly I would go for Avenger 2.

Yet phaseplant as a bundle brings a lot of things on the table. For me at 300 a no brainer. But at 400, indeed it is a bit pricey.
I would hold it until there is a sale....

[sl1200mk2]

The Ultimate bundle drops to $270-299 during sales, depending on which vendor you choose (or going direct).

https://musicsoftwaredeals.com/manufacturer/kilohearts/

[yhvh]

also i’ll echo the sentiment of getting the ultimate package. if you demo the synth and find it’s for you, the tools you’ll get with the ultimate package are well worth the cost.

The tools in Ultimate are nice to have, but are they really well worth the cost? I'm not sure about that. If Snap Heap and Multipass would support VST plugins, I would agree but as it is now I think the Ultimate package is a bit overpriced.

i personally use multipass all the time, way more than i imagined i would before i got it, so that alone makes it worthwhile for me. i remember when i got the bundle it wasn’t terribly uncommon to catch a sale, i definitely did. that certainly helped the value, but having owned it for a little while, a lot of that stuff has become such a big part of my workflow i can’t imagine not having it. being able to create your own multiband (with unlimited bands as you could nest instances of multipass within multipass) effects with fairly detailed and complicated modulation and save them as a preset is such a convenience. i also really get mileage out of convolver and disperser, and more recently shaper. the eqs are pretty unique as well, great for modulation. plus phase plant is my most used synth by far, so it would feel incomplete missing a handful of the more unique effects they offer. maybe if you favor using presets i could see the value not being there for you, but i wouldn’t recommend phase plant at all in that case. i get that this is borderline saying “just trust me” but i had lots of doubts myself before pulling the trigger… however it’s been one of the rare plugin investments i made that i not only don’t regret but genuinely feel like i more than got my moneys worth

[yhvh]

as far as arpeggiators and sequencers go, you can create them in phase plant customized to your own use. for a lot of this sort of thing i make myself template patches in PP or multipass depending on what exactly im setting up. 15 min of work to be able to recall them any time and i work into the patch im designing, and quite a bit more flexible than a typical sequencer. im sure this is obvious for many of you but for anyone that might not be familiar with the remap modulation, it makes it this sort of thing less difficult than you might imagine

and of course there’s the various arp lfos already made in the presets

[Sampleconstruct]

Testing the quality of speech to wave-table re-synthesis in Phaseplant using a mono sample, it ain't bad at all.

[Valkasman]

I picked up Phase Plant a while ago I'm just amazed at what you can do. I'm still a relative novice so looking at how people built the presets really helps me wrap my head around it.

[stoopicus]

Multipass might be my most used plugin

It plus the snapins are basically Multiband Effects Construction Kit.

[Jac459]

I really feel like an idiot but I realized only ... yesterday that the non-linear filters of phase plant can be incorporated directly in the oscillators block of PP and not only in the effects.

2 questions.

How the f**k can I have missed that ? Is it new ? (I blame kvr not telling me lol).

2nd is : with this is mind, how can phaseplant not be considered the absolut king of the soft synths? There was a time it's filters were weak but it is not the case anymore, I love the non-linear filters they sound awesome.
So it f I recapitulate; crazy flexibility yet great convenient UI. Super power associated with top class sound. This synth has no weakness (maybe for some the lack of proper arpeggiators or midi FX).

[swilow11]

Non linear filter in the generator section isn't new. Not sure how long they've been there but at least a year i think. Would be nice if the ladder filter was there as well... The standard and non-linear filters are a weak point with PhasePlant imo- they're usable but not great. Sound can be quite harsh. Ladder filter otoh sounds quite lovely. Nice for psy bass.

Agreed that PP is king atm. The Filter Table is just so good!

[Jac459]

Non linear filter in the generator section isn't new. Not sure how long they've been there but at least a year i think. Would be nice if the ladder filter was there as well... The standard and non-linear filters are a weak point with PhasePlant imo- they're usable but not great. Sound can be quite harsh. Ladder filter otoh sounds quite lovely. Nice for psy bass.

Agreed that PP is king atm. The Filter Table is just so good!

You don't like the non-linear filters? For me you have a large choice and I do like them a lot (maybe I like harsh hehe).

For sure, if I want butter smooth bass where you got cholesterol just listening at it, I would go for Obsession or Legend HZ from Synapse.

Yes the filter table is great but it only makes PP better at what it is already so great for: making a sound super alive.

[swilow11]

I like them better than the standard filter but don't love them. High resonance just doesn't sound great and I'm often having to adjust gain signicantly when switching filter types and slopes. But really with Phase Plant, it's rarely about the individual components which are generally just 'okay', but the magic really emerges from the whole shebang.

That said, I really like Convolver, the LFO/Shaper/Filter Table. And for basic filtering, I use the regular filter snapin a lot. But that's just for the pretty typical psytrance kick/bass filter transition things where I'm just sweeping cutoff over 4 bars or so.

Probably the best filters I've got are in Polyverses Filterverse. So much variety, but even just the typical LP/BP/HP stuff sounds f**king amazing. But I digress....

[shonky]

I've generally found that I prefer using filter sweeps in the wavetable generator and just use the oscillator filters for broad brush changes if required. So many routes to making the same sounds, different levels of control to each.

[Jac459]

I've generally found that I prefer using filter sweeps in the wavetable generator and just use the oscillator filters for broad brush changes if required. So many routes to making the same sounds, different levels of control to each.

Filter sweep in wave table generator.... How do you do that?

[Penguin Classics]

It super intuitive, you can modulate everything with everything. You can route everything with everything, polyphonically or not…

Not really. The good “character filters” don’t work in the generator level, therefore can’t be modulated at audio rates. I hope they add this at some point.

They added it like.... Long ago , maybe one year...

Your losing it man..
I don't think Phaseplant sounds the best but I think it probably is the best - always come up with something interesting with it.

[shonky]

I've generally found that I prefer using filter sweeps in the wavetable generator and just use the oscillator filters for broad brush changes if required. So many routes to making the same sounds, different levels of control to each.

Filter sweep in wave table generator.... How do you do that?

Sorry, I meant in the wavetable editor - you can apply different cutoffs to different points of the wavetable or, if you're feeling adventurous, you can assign completely different filter types to individual frames and morph between them.