Running commercial audio software on linux

[glokraw]

Can you imagine a music star from 1990, time travelling to a modern computer with the Everything Bundle ready for action? That blurred motion you saw would be their fist breaking the 'Return' button, on the time-travel device

[j_e_g]

Then they would listen to the music being created today with these tools, and rapidly repair the time machine for the return journey.

[glokraw]

A new gift from Arturia, 'Augmented Mallets', working in linux

https://www.arturia.com/

As with their other Augmented and free releases, each preset's gui has a small but useful range of controls, suited to the preset, not the same selection in all presets. The base sounds are quite nice and varied, and in linux Reaper, lv2 effects worked fine, and favorites may be preferred. I think the Arturia Reverb uses a lot of cpu, so off it goes in my old i7 8gig setup.

Arturia's software tool worked fine in AVLinux wine 6.22, and when logged in to my account, it downloaded, activated, and installed the software in one go, no intervention needed. It scanned by yabridge OK, and also worked in the windows Reaper. It's about a 3 gig download, winding up in the /home/me/.wine/drive_c/ProgramData folder, with plugins in typical spots, and the setup tool is at /home/me/.wine/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Arturia/Arturia Software Center.

If Santa is skint this year, a lot of music can be made with this software.

Augmented Mallets AVLinuv.jpg

[mabian]

I haven't tested Augmented Mallets but until Wine 9.21 Staging - included - all Arturia plugins I tried - a lot - run almost 100% in REAPER Linux native with Yabridge and Wine. There are some minor issues with pop-up menus.
I'm seeing Wine now in 10-rc3 but it still seems broken (everything went bad starting from 9.22) and the changelog doesn't give me much hope - I don't want to try it now tbh. Are they really screwing it so bad and releasing a V10 that breaks a lot of stuff?

As a side question, does anybody know how to make Yabridge run plugins in a Bottle? I have successfully installed and run XLN Audio plugins in a Bottle with Soda 9 used as a runner; using plain Wine, the plugin manager doesn't even install. So I'm looking for a way to have Yabridge use the Bottle.

Thanks,
Mario

[j_e_g]

Based upon your obsessiom of running Windows software on linux, I had already concluded you're on the bottle.

[glokraw]

As a side question, does anybody know how to make Yabridge run plugins in a Bottle?

Not from experience with bottles, the parts that rely on each other need to have accurate paths to one another, perhaps symbolic links will do. Make a note of plugin paths in the bottle, and add the paths to /home/me/.config/yabridgectl/config.toml
maybe

yabridgectl -add /home/me/bottle/drive_c/"Program Files/VstPlugins" (note quote are needed to wrap spaces in paths, drive names like "My Passport" included.)

or yabridgectl -add /var/flatpak/bottle/drive_c/users/me/VstPlugins"

or wherever the bottle is found...and whatever the vst path is.

then

yabridgectl sync

Cheers

[mabian]

Based upon your obsessiom of running Windows software on linux, I had already concluded you're on the bottle.

My "obsession" is not much about going to Linux, rather more about leaving Windows. I am still on Windows 10, and I'm not liking at all what is happening with Windows 11 - for example, the yes/no/yes/no thing about minimum requirements and frequent update mistakes / anomalies.

Microsoft is not helping at all changing my mind: just two days ago my work laptop, which had W10 installed and satisfies system requirements for W11, constrained to "update and restart" or "update and shutdown" - no way was offered (like in other "similar" cases) to just shut down without updates.
So I started the update and found it was oddly slow.
After 15 minutes it was still going, and I started seeing it wasn't a normal security update.

I had to go home - I was still at the office - so I brought the PC still updating into the car on the way home, it went on for the whole travel and it finished at home more than one hour later, as I found that the OS was upgraded to W11 24H2 without even asking for my permission and notifying this kind of update was being done.
I think I have the chance to go back, but this is horrible customer experience:

- A major update I didn't want was forced
- No warning was issued that the upgrade was not a normal W10 patch

This makes me want to run away even faster.

Thanks,
Mario

[mabian]

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[glokraw]

You refer to yourself as a 'customer' ? Methinks you may feel more like a convicted criminal,
or a post-robbery hostage, where the robber still has all your details

On my linux setups, when a desired baseline of functionality is achieved, I stop all updates, and test new things elsewhere. My 'best' setup is a few-years-old AVLinux, that has wine-staging 6.22, and kernel 5.15. It does fine with 99% of what I use. I did put SynthMaster 3 on a setup with newer wine 9.0-stable, a V6 kernel, and recent nVidia/vulcan graphics. Hope Santa brings a blizzard, so I can spend more time exploring
Cheers

[BertKoor]

@glokraw: it's your work laptop. You have no say in what happens to it. Your employer (or the IT facilitation department) does.

[j_e_g]

mabian: Usually before an automated update, a "system retore point" will be automatically created. You just need to go into Control Panel -> System Restore, and select the last known good configuration.

I think there's also a setting to turn off OS upgrades (under Control Panel -> Security?). I'm running Linux at the moment, so I can't verify as I'm typing this.

Hard drives are cheap nowadays. It's a good idea to get a drive to backup your system. Win10 has backup features you can use here.

[mabian]

mabian: Usually before an automated update, a "system retore point" will be automatically created. You just need to go into Control Panel -> System Restore, and select the last known good configuration.

I think there's also a setting to turn off OS upgrades (under Control Panel -> Security?). I'm running Linux at the moment, so I can't verify as I'm typing this.

Hard drives are cheap nowadays. It's a good idea to get a drive to backup your system. Win10 has backup features you can use here.

Sure. Actually, on the work laptop, I have no issues going to W11, it's simply the awful way it happened that makes me even more worried about sticking with Windows for my personal PCs and related activities.

Thanks,
Mario

[mabian]

As a side question, does anybody know how to make Yabridge run plugins in a Bottle?

Not from experience with bottles, the parts that rely on each other need to have accurate paths to one another, perhaps symbolic links will do. Make a note of plugin paths in the bottle, and add the paths to /home/me/.config/yabridgectl/config.toml
maybe

yabridgectl -add /home/me/bottle/drive_c/"Program Files/VstPlugins" (note quote are needed to wrap spaces in paths, drive names like "My Passport" included.)

or yabridgectl -add /var/flatpak/bottle/drive_c/users/me/VstPlugins"

or wherever the bottle is found...and whatever the vst path is.

then

yabridgectl sync

Cheers

Thanks, but I'm afraid this is not enough... As far as I understand about them, Bottles not only can be different regarding root folder content and settings. They also use specific versions of "runners", that is different Wine environments. The Bottles version I'm using seem to allow choosing between Soda and an old Wine version.
I presume Yabridge cannot detect the runner used by a prefix and use that runner. I'd be quite glad to discover I'm wrong on this

[uOpt]

Do any of the big sampler software pieces run in Wine?

Maybe Kontakt player? It shouldn't have DRM, no?

[mabian]

Kontakt only runs up to v7, because it can be validated with native access 1.
For k8 native access 2 is needed, which is very difficult to run in Wine.