Nuendo vs Sonar again

[nuffink]

Problems in Nuendo 2 with freez for vstis - get the new update and all will be good!

If you use rewire in Cubase or Nuendo, start all projects on second bar - and all will be good!

Please answer, what can sonar4 what cubase can't???


I tested sonar4.01 and 50% of my waves v5 plugs doesn't work correctly or not (for example: lineq, linMB). Same prob with voxengo! The graphic gui in Fruityloops freez in rewiremodus. The rewire modus in Sonar is a kind of "vsti bridge" with a latenz from 768ms (in cubase i have 5ms!!!). The audioloopeditor has a bad sound quality (pitchshifting - uaaahhh). Then you must by a licenc to use the mp3 encoder. Sonar gives so a short bad sound when i push play or stop.

But, the lexicon plug is realy good!!! and the intern fx, too!

Everyone here, who knows Hans Zimmer? - he use Nuendo!

Which great producer use Sonar?

But

But what?

[UltraJv]

If people wish to make comparisons, at least base them on current software. Nuendo is at version 3 now

[Alan]

Which great producer use Sonar?

I hope none use it.I hope I'm the only person on the planet who uses it.I just don't feel comfortable being part of the "Herd".

[nutsadamus]

Wow, Hans Zimmer uses it?!

Damn, I feel like such a fool...I too could be making cheezie-ass Hollywood soundtracks had I only chosen Nuendo.

Woe is me

[WillieJenkins]

Please answer, what can sonar4 what cubase can't???

At this level of product its about workflow, not about 'my sequencer is better then your sequencer'. When I had downloaded teh SX 1.06 demo (the last one made available afaik), it took me about 15 mins to figure out how to get audio working and vstis playing. With Sonar I was using it in 2 minutes. That kind of thing is important to me, as I want my software to be transparent to the music making process. (I'm not claiming Sonar is any easier to use for EVERYONE, just for ME)

Same prob with voxengo!

All my vox plugs are flawless, and there have been no reports of problems in the forums. Sounds like user error. I don't use Waves plugs, but I do recall there being some comments about Waves issues that I think were either fixed in 4.01 or were actually issues on Waves end.

The graphic gui in Fruityloops freez in rewiremodus. The rewire modus in Sonar is a kind of "vsti bridge" with a latenz from 768ms (in cubase i have 5ms!!!).

Again, user error. I have FLStudio, and it works fine in both rewire and dxi/vst mode. Aside from the 16 device limit I've mostly read that Sonars rewire implementation is the most stable one out there.

The audioloopeditor has a bad sound quality (pitchshifting - uaaahhh).

realtime groove audio pitch is not-the-best is most sequencers, thats why Sonar implemented MPEX3 timestretching, check the menus for it. Again, lack-of-user-investigation.

Then you must by a licenc to use the mp3 encoder.

This is not cakewalks fault, to use an mp3 encoder you must pay a licensing fee. Some companies factor this cost into the product. Cakewalk decided not to, as there were freeware tools (cwenc) you could use to encode mp3s. Also, now they've implemented something that allows us to pick which mp3 encoders we wish to use (currently I'm using LAME) and even gave us examples of how to set this up for the most common encoders. Again, user-lack-of-information.

Sonar gives so a short bad sound when i push play or stop.

Again, If this were widespread, it would be on the forums. Sounds like user error.

Everyone here, who knows Hans Zimmer? - he use Nuendo!

My guess is that Hans's compositional abilities play a larger role in why he's famous. However, you have a point in that Nuendo does have more esoteric film-oriented features. Again for 3 times the price this should be not only expected but demanded.

Also, at cakewalks site there is a list of 'people who use Sonar'. Personally I could care less, but its there.

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Bottom line, they're both great products that can help you make the music you want to make.

[whyterabbyt]

kaufi quoth
Please answer, what can sonar4 what cubase can't???

Dont know. Its had Acid-style looping since day 1, Cubase has only just got that hasnt it? Its got completely flexible bus routing, which is nice. Version 1 had all the clip and slip editing I was used to in ProTools 4 years ago, although I guess Cubase has got that now as well. Its Freeze implementation seems best-of-breed but then it effectively had freezing from day 1 as well, it just wasnt called that.

The surround processor (not the panner) is pretty unique, AFAIK.

But they're probably very similar in features; thats what happens when products mature. So the choice now is about workflow preference, and implementations, rather than what one has that the other doesnt.

Funny that; in the end its about what suits the user, not the evangelist talking to him.

I tested sonar4.01 and 50% of my waves v5 plugs doesn't work correctly or not (for example: lineq, linMB).

How did you test it? (AFAIK the demo isn't actually 4.01, and Im not even sure if it comes with the VST-DX adaptor)

Because AFAIK, there are plenty of people using Waves at the Cakewalk forums, and a few here as well.

Same prob with voxengo!

Ive never had problems with the Voxengo plugins.

The graphic gui in Fruityloops freez in rewiremodus. The rewire modus in Sonar is a kind of "vsti bridge" with a latenz from 768ms (in cubase i have 5ms!!!).

Wouldnt know about that, but I think it would be common knowledge if there were 3/4 of a second of latency on ReWire.

The audioloopeditor has a bad sound quality (pitchshifting - uaaahhh).

Funny, it uses MPEX algorithms, considered to be the best around. In fact doesnt Cubase use the same algorithms?

Then you must by a licenc to use the mp3 encoder.

Nope, you can buy their encoder, or use any other codec. There's been free MP3 encoding for Sonar for at least 18 months.

Sonar gives so a short bad sound when i push play or stop.

It doesnt on my system. So I suspect its your soundcard at fault.

Everyone here, who knows Hans Zimmer? - he use Nuendo!

Oh yes, we must use it because Hans does, that means its best for everyone.

Which great producer use Sonar?

Hans isnt a producer, he's a composer. But what about Ray Charles, Slipknot, or Pubic Enemy. They use Sonar, so shouldn't you. Right now!

Sheesh.

http://www.cakewalk.com/Artist/default.asp

[Hunter]

The graphic gui in Fruityloops freez in rewiremodus.

Works fine for me too.

The rewire modus in Sonar is a kind of "vsti bridge" with a latenz from 768ms (in cubase i have 5ms!!!).

Is that right? I know when you you run Fl as a vsti there is a big latency, but when I use it Rewired i'm prety sure the latency is very small....

Then you must by a licenc to use the mp3 encoder.

That was sonar 3 no?

Sonar gives so a short bad sound when i push play or stop.

Yeah there are some pops when you stop sna start things mid process. I can live with it. It is annoying when the audio engine cuts out if you do a bad though.

But, the lexicon plug is realy good!!! and the intern fx, too!

yeah I agree

Which great producer use Sonar?

Me

[dgkenney]

Funny that; in the end its about what suits the user, not the evangelist talking to him.

That would be my assessment also. I have used Sonar since it was Cakewalk 6 and Cubase since the first VST edition. I presently own Sonar3 and Cubase SX 3. Over time my preference has been decidely towards Cubase as my "go-to" application for three reasons:
1 Workflow
2 Workflow
3 Workflow

I am sure there are a number of people who would support Cakewalk/Sonar as the best based upon the same reasons. At this point of their respective maturities, there are very few features that one has that the other doesn't. And if current history continues the one "behind" in a particular area offers the same feature in the next rev. In short..it's all good.

Dan

[7XL]

I must jump in along with "my Sonar Fanboy Brothers", Lorez and whyterabbyt.

Sonar has many more features, that are bug free, than Nuendo.

I find the Universal Bussing Architechure to be far more advanced than most other things on the market.

I could go on, but I'd be just repeating wha has already been said.

[raapie]

You need to keep up!! Nuendo is at v3 and wavelab v5!!

of course I know. but I am not upgrading since I don't want to pay for bugfixes. btw the problems I am having are NOT fixed.

[mojkarma]

Over and over again the same useless topic.

1. Nuendo and Sonar are not in the same class. Remember, THEY ARE NOT IN THE SAME LEAGUE!!!

I'm saying this just to explain the price difference.

I'm afraid there are to many people out there using Nuendo even if they don't know what is the difference between Nuendo and Cubase, except for the price.

IMHO, it doesn't matter who uses Sonar or Cubase, a famous user doesn't make an app pro.

As a owner of both platforms (Sonar3PE and Cubase SL2) I can say that Cubase has more features and many improvements in the workflow are over Sonar.
If anybody wants to discuss this already discussed topic again, do it but please give me facts.

A question to Sonar users: tell me, what has Cakewalk improved or changed in the way how Sonar edits midi since Proaudio ver. 5 or 6 (in other words in the past 10 years!). Can you name 5 things they have improved or built in!?

[nuffink]

A question to Sonar users: tell me, what has Cakewalk improved or changed in the way how Sonar edits midi since Proaudio ver. 5 or 6 (in other words in the past 10 years!). Can you name 5 things they have improved or built in!?

Bucket seats
Cigarette lighter
That little brown bit in the left hand corner
The Trevor Nelson device
Overdrive

What do I win?

[whyterabbyt]

mojkarma quoth

A question to Sonar users: tell me, what has Cakewalk improved or changed in the way how Sonar edits midi since Proaudio ver. 5 or 6 (in other words in the past 10 years!). Can you name 5 things they have improved or built in!?

The MIDI brush
MFX plugins
MIDI loop clips, and everything associated with them
960ppqn resolution
The drum editor

That do?

[fishbowl.tucson.az]

Then you must by a licenc to use the mp3 encoder.

This is not cakewalks fault, to use an mp3 encoder you must pay a licensing fee.

They could be nice and pay it for you, and they could, if they wanted, simply absorb the cost without the ham-handed direct increase of the product price.

The vendor made its choice, and this particular consumer sees it as penny-pinching greed.

[Poni]

Nuendo may look slick and in my eyes that's about the only edge it has over Sonar. It feels bulky maybe if I had 3 or 4 monitors I'd feel different. To my ears the effects that are packaged with Nuendo are barely usable, the ones in Sonar are acceptable. Useig Nuendo for music composition is like trying to drive in a brad with a sledgehammer. Just my opinion guys.