Behringer Wave :)

[swivel]

A Poly Aftertouch keyboard

Umm.. I don't think it's got poly aftertouch.

Why not? Their product page says it does:

Enhanced Expression

WAVE’s 49 full-size keys, offer the perfect balance between expressiveness and playability. Aftertouch and velocity sensitivity, allow you to shape and modulate your sounds depending on how hard or soft you play.

https://www.behringer.com/product.html? ... e=0722-ABD

edit: ok, maybe not. Channel aftertouch vs poly aftertouch. Didn't know there was a difference.

[Uncle E]

There's no mention of *polyphonic* aftertouch. They would say it if it had it.

[Scotty]

You are correct. I heard what I wanted to hear. Channel after touch though at that price point is impressive.

There's no mention of *polyphonic* aftertouch. They would say it if it had it.

[bmanic]

Channel after touch though at that price point is impressive.

Maybe this shows my age but in my experience Channel Aftertouch was available at pretty much any price point in the past. It's only in the past 5 years or so that it's become a trend to leave it out of cheap keyboards. It used to be on absolutely any piece of garbage and costs almost nothing to add.

Even the original first generation IK Multimedia mini key thing that I still have here somewhere had aftertouch for a paltry 49 euros.. so did that horrible Behringer minikey station thing for 39 euros or whatever it was. My point is, I don't remember a time when in the past a budget keybed didn't have after touch. The ones that didn't were a rare breed.

[ghettosynth]

Channel after touch though at that price point is impressive.

Maybe this shows my age but in my experience Channel Aftertouch was available at pretty much any price point in the past. It's only in the past 5 years or so that it's become a trend to leave it out of cheap keyboards. It used to be on absolutely any piece of garbage and costs almost nothing to add.

Even the original first generation IK Multimedia mini key thing that I still have here somewhere had aftertouch for a paltry 49 euros.. so did that horrible Behringer minikey station thing for 39 euros or whatever it was. My point is, I don't remember a time when in the past a budget keybed didn't have after touch. The ones that didn't were a rare breed.

There have been multiple workstation like keyboards that lacked it. Almost none have poly-aftertouch. I would have purchased the 61 key budget Yamaha motif-ish thing if it had poly-aftertouch with FM.

[bmanic]

Channel after touch though at that price point is impressive.

Maybe this shows my age but in my experience Channel Aftertouch was available at pretty much any price point in the past. It's only in the past 5 years or so that it's become a trend to leave it out of cheap keyboards. It used to be on absolutely any piece of garbage and costs almost nothing to add.

Even the original first generation IK Multimedia mini key thing that I still have here somewhere had aftertouch for a paltry 49 euros.. so did that horrible Behringer minikey station thing for 39 euros or whatever it was. My point is, I don't remember a time when in the past a budget keybed didn't have after touch. The ones that didn't were a rare breed.

There have been multiple workstation like keyboards that lacked it. Almost none have poly-aftertouch. I would have purchased the 61 key budget Yamaha motif-ish thing if it had poly-aftertouch with FM.

We are talking about channel aftertouch. This is the bog standard "mono" aftertouch strip thingy under the keybed. Press one down and all affected. Yes of course Poly Aftertouch has always been extremely rare.

And like I said, it's a very recent trend where almost all of the big synth companies have started leaving out aftertouch completely in the budget models of various synths/workstations. In the olden days you could buy the cheapest budget brand midi keyboard or budget synth and it almost always came with aftertouch. And if it said Roland, Korg, Yamaha or Kawai anywhere on the tin and was a synthesizer, no matter how cheap, it was virtually guaranteed to contain basic aftertouch.

.. at least this is how I remember it. Mind you, it's absolutely possible that I'm completely wrong about this! But I don't think I've ever even owned a keyboard that doesn't have aftertouch, except the various full size digital pianos but those are a different market segment. I can't think of a single basic midi keyboard where aftertouch wasn't available. I've had at least one model of almost every budget brand ever (M-audio, AKAI, Behringer etc) and all of them had aftertouch.

[DocAtlas]

Channel after touch though at that price point is impressive.

Maybe this shows my age but in my experience Channel Aftertouch was available at pretty much any price point in the past. It's only in the past 5 years or so that it's become a trend to leave it out of cheap keyboards. It used to be on absolutely any piece of garbage and costs almost nothing to add.

Even the original first generation IK Multimedia mini key thing that I still have here somewhere had aftertouch for a paltry 49 euros.. so did that horrible Behringer minikey station thing for 39 euros or whatever it was. My point is, I don't remember a time when in the past a budget keybed didn't have after touch. The ones that didn't were a rare breed.

There have been multiple workstation like keyboards that lacked it. Almost none have poly-aftertouch. I would have purchased the 61 key budget Yamaha motif-ish thing if it had poly-aftertouch with FM.

We are talking about channel aftertouch. This is the bog standard "mono" aftertouch strip thingy under the keybed. Press one down and all affected. Yes of course Poly Aftertouch has always been extremely rare.

And like I said, it's a very recent trend where almost all of the big synth companies have started leaving out aftertouch completely in the budget models of various synths/workstations. In the olden days you could buy the cheapest budget brand midi keyboard or budget synth and it almost always came with aftertouch. And if it said Roland, Korg, Yamaha or Kawai anywhere on the tin and was a synthesizer, no matter how cheap, it was virtually guaranteed to contain basic aftertouch.

.. at least this is how I remember it. Mind you, it's absolutely possible that I'm completely wrong about this! But I don't think I've ever even owned a keyboard that doesn't have aftertouch, except the various full size digital pianos but those are a different market segment. I can't think of a single basic midi keyboard where aftertouch wasn't available. I've had at least one model of almost every budget brand ever (M-audio, AKAI, Behringer etc) and all of them had aftertouch.

There were a few that didn't have aftertouch. My Yamaha DX21 didn't. It received it, though. I took advantage of that the following year when I got my D-50.

[ghettosynth]

We are talking about channel aftertouch. This is the bog standard "mono" aftertouch strip thingy under the keybed. Press one down and all affected. Yes of course Poly Aftertouch has always been extremely rare.

No, I understand. There are several big workstations in the 61 and 76 key that have not had even channel aftertouch. Again, had they had at least that, I would have considered getting one. For example, the modx7 which is a 76 key workstation, does not have aftertouch. This has been more common than I think that you realize over the last few years. I suspect that it's cost cutting relating to a shift in their customer base.

In the olden days you could buy the cheapest budget brand midi keyboard or budget synth and it almost always came with aftertouch. And if it said Roland, Korg, Yamaha or Kawai anywhere on the tin and was a synthesizer, no matter how cheap, it was virtually guaranteed to contain basic aftertouch.

Not the cheapest necessarily. I have a number of them that don't, including Arturia's controller with the wooden end-cheeks. In the analog/FM days it was largely only on the higher end keyboards. My JX10 has channel aftertouch, but other analogs at the time weren't even velocity sensitive.

From the mid 90s through the 2000s it was much more common. Then somewhere in there it was eliminated. It might be related to the fact that the strips often went bad so it was more than just the cost of including it in the product.

So, you're right that there was a dip from where it used to be. I just think that it goes back about a decade, not the last few years. That Arturia keyboard came into my studio in 2009/2009 time frame. I had an M-Audio Ozonic, purchased in a similar time frame, that did have aftertouch.

[Vectorman]

I doubt Behringer is moving away from poly AT. What seems more likely to me is that it just won't be included on their smaller form factor synths like this that are targeted at a lower price point.

[seafire]

. I can't think of a single basic midi keyboard where aftertouch wasn't available.

Evolution mk61c didn't

[ghettosynth]

I doubt Behringer is moving away from poly AT. What seems more likely to me is that it just won't be included on their smaller form factor synths like this that are targeted at a lower price point.

Yes, I think so. I don't know the wave well enough to know if poly aftertouch would be useful, but as they try to clone more than others, perhaps not.

[kritikon]

Prior to the UBXa release Behringer were saying they were going to base all their polys on the same format, i.e 16 voice, polyaftertouch. Maybe they found it not affordable after UBXa? Personally I don't care in the slightest about any kind of aftertouch, almost never used it in 35 yrs, but it does seem like a little change in direction. Dunno about the smaller format - looks to me like similar size to the last pics of their Jupiter prototype, which was expected to be same specs as UBXa? But yeah, both of them definitely smaller than UBXa, which is a whopper.

Sadly this Wave doesn't interest me. Played on a real one way back when, and quite hated its metallic character - I distinctly remember being overwhelmingly disappointed as it had been mythologised as being so desirable. Didn't like the sound of it or the look of it. Most wavetable thingies turn me completely off for some reason, I even avoid the wavetables on impOSCar3, and that's a cracker of a synth. However, it is cheap as plastic metallic chips, can't deny the value. No doubt many will adore it. Me, I'll wait till their Jupiter comes out for the next splurge on a poly (not much of a splurge at that price though...more of a drip ).

[kritikon]

Just worked it out...$37.50 per voice. That's just fkn nuts!

[Scotty]

Wavetable stuff hits differently and I think it is a flavour that some of us like. It isn't for every application. I have a Hydrasynth here and it gets sparing use but I like it when I like it if you know what I mean.

Sadly this Wave doesn't interest me. Played on a real one way back when, and quite hated its metallic character - I distinctly remember being overwhelmingly disappointed as it had been mythologised as being so desirable. Didn't like the sound of it or the look of it. Most wavetable thingies turn me completely off for some reason, I even avoid the wavetables on impOSCar3, and that's a cracker of a synth. However, it is cheap as plastic metallic chips, can't deny the value.

[VitaminD]

Just remember this is the release price. In a couple years it could probably be 500 and probably less on the used market, if they keep manufacturing them.

It is pretty cheap as-is though, and I wonder what internals it is using? Is it a Raspberry PI Zero like the wavestate? An ASRock mITX celeron pc hooked to a board of fancy filters similar to the prophet x? Just purely for curiosity's sake I'm interested in knowing what's inside.