Fabfilter Pro-Q 4!

[jtsterays]

ProQ is actually a reverb.

straw man. every feature I mentioned is related to frequency/tone-shaping/dynamics and clearly FabFilter agree becaues the features I mentioned they've added to their plugin.

the problem is why would I use saturation in ProQ or their spectral shaper or the dyn EQ if they're just watered down and half-assed implementations of things that are better in other plugins?

go big or go home. and maybe it SHOULD be a reverb, that could be very useful. but some people would rather pay more for less.

Fabfilter plugins are alway like this. Overpriced, mediocre sounding plugins, crippled features but with beautiful GUI and workflow, they're more of UI/UX designers than DSP dev. Heck they didn't even invent the "Pro-Q GUI", Voxengo made it first in 2004 + Spectrum sharing. I'll give props to them for the Pro-C interface, I think they were the first one to do that. But yeah I doubt the new spectral dynamics will beat soothe, quality has to be compromised for CPU usage + low latency, same for the dynamics EQ - just get Nova instead or Arbiter if you want floating thereshold. Pro-Q natural phase is just a copy of EQ8 oversample option (Cytomic). Also the saturation has to be a waveshaper because atm the only person on this planet who can do low cpu transformer emulation is Cytomic and even he is not confident he can. Probably just the transformer from Saturn which i've never liked, the base models in that sounds so digital that you have to have bmanic conjuring a whole eurorack modular patch for it to sound somewhat interesting. Sorry guys i missed the Liquidsonics sale so i'm a little steamed.

[MirkoVanHauten]

Wow, this turned from 0 to troll very quickly...

[Caine123]

crazy, i always thought fabfilter is praised from so many. i use fabfilter in every project, fluid GUIs, fast workflow and simple copy protection, oh great support too.

Pro-C was great in the past and is still great, a pultec was great in the past and is still great, so do i need a Pultec v5 with 100 new features? Pro-Q4 has neat new features, are these crucial? guess not, im glad a new version comes out with new options so why not. no one needs to upgrade.

only thing annoying is that Pro-G is still not resizable? or do i miss something?
when using their plugins i dont miss much, all these fancy AI stuff etc. can be used in other plugins, i never missed the saturation options from dmg audio, i still think their policy sucks and fabfilter is so fluid to work with.

[cryophonik]

only thing annoying is that Pro-G is still not resizable? or do i miss something?

Yeah, that's probably my number one request for FF to address next.

[jtsterays]

crazy, i always thought fabfilter is praised from so many. i use fabfilter in every project, fluid GUIs, fast workflow and simple copy protection, oh great support too.

If i'm paying $170 for 1 plugin, I'm expecting all of that to be the default. I'm not actually a Fabfilter hater, Pro-Q is my main EQ, there are nothing wrong with their plugins except for the prices, never said they were bad, just mid. I'm just kinda sad that one of biggest company in the audio industry just have some mediocre sounding plugins that have unique features taken from other small devs and people somehow though they invented them. Overshadowing the small companies who are actually pushing the envelope. Imagine if Cytomic has a whole company instead of being a solo dev, hardware would be obsolete by now.

[HOTF]

wow i'm really disapointed Pro-Q4 dosen't have any AI features that writes, mixes, masters and distributes the song for you on all platforms.

[elxsound]

crazy, i always thought fabfilter is praised from so many. i use fabfilter in every project, fluid GUIs, fast workflow and simple copy protection, oh great support too.

If i'm paying $170 for 1 plugin, I'm expecting all of that to be the default. I'm not actually a Fabfilter hater, Pro-Q is my main EQ, there are nothing wrong with their plugins except for the prices, never said they were bad, just mid. I'm just kinda sad that one of biggest company in the audio industry just have some mediocre sounding plugins that have unique features taken from other small devs and people somehow though they invented them. Overshadowing the small companies who are actually pushing the envelope. Imagine if Cytomic has a whole company instead of being a solo dev, hardware would be obsolete by now.

Please just go buy the liquidsonics plugs-ins so it can be a normal conversation!

You’re the same one asking for Pultec style curves, but are mad they didn’t invent the technology from the onset.

Most of their stuff is transparent and that’s also what people get upset about. They’ll never satisfy everyone.

I also don’t think they need to be the one and only plugin. You’re paying them for designing what they think is most important, not what you think is important. If that changes, I’m sure they’ll invite you on as a collaborator.

It’s just like hardware where nothing is made to satisfy everyone. There’s always something missing, for someone, but they’re the ones with the idea of what their product will look like, its workflow and the features included.

[a9k1tp]

If you want the DMG features, go get the DMG product. Because you are effectively wanting the ProQ to do exactly what the DMG eq does, instead of letting ProQ be what ProQ set out to be. Just go buy that other product.

Yeah!! ProQ is not DMG eq. It is Sonible EQ..??

People often want features from other plugins integrated into their preferred ones. This doesn't mean they want the other plugin itself. This cross-pollination of features drives plugin development.

[elxsound]

only thing annoying is that Pro-G is still not resizable? or do i miss something?

Yeah, that's probably my number one request for FF to address next.

Yes please… Pro-G needs some love.

[Marty90]

only thing annoying is that Pro-G is still not resizable? or do i miss something?

Yeah, that's probably my number one request for FF to address next.

Pro-G and Pro-DS have actually been resizable since a maintenance update released in March 2023.

[Calagan]

I never had any problem with the sound of ProQ3. To me it sounds great. Or better said, it doesn't have a sound.
I don't care about some tiny little differences you can barely hear.

To me there are few things that make ProQ above the crowd :
- workflow
- features
- GUI
- coding !!!! The Fabfilter plugins are the most stable, issues free, CPU friendly, and long term updated plugins I have on my computer. Saturn 1 is still updated (it was released in 2012). It works on an Apple Silicon Mac. You can share presets with Saturn 2...
My session never crashed with ProQ3, or any other Fabfilter plugin. And my CPU loves them.

Working professionnaly with these kind of tools is a blessing. I love DMG Audio stuff, but I'm less confident with them. I have some issues with Equick for exemple (it crashes my session sometimes when I open the GUI). TrackComp is great now but it had some nasty hidden bugs few times in its lifespan (but it's still the best "do-it-all" compressor plugin I know).

It's great to be able to rely on tools like the Fabfilter ones. It may not be the best sounding stuff ever, but yes, it's a "fantastic workflow".

[Ploki]

ProQ is actually a reverb.

straw man. every feature I mentioned is related to frequency/tone-shaping/dynamics and clearly FabFilter agree becaues the features I mentioned they've added to their plugin.

the problem is why would I use saturation in ProQ or their spectral shaper or the dyn EQ if they're just watered down and half-assed implementations of things that are better in other plugins? then are they just useless features that can make people think its worth buying?

go big or go home. and maybe it SHOULD be a reverb, that could be very useful. but some people would rather pay more for less.

Why would you use Ozone singles if you can load the whole ass module on every track

[jtsterays]

I don't understand why what I'm saying seems bizarre to you guys. What's so unusual about asking for 2-3 EQ curves that would be extremely tedious to match that takes multiple EQ points, which clutter the interface and slow down the workflow significantly. Shouldn't Fabfilter, the company known best for fast workflow plugins prioritizes this? Even Kelvin from Tone Projects have multiple curve types and nobody complained that there are too many for a saturator. How about no per band phase setting so i can have some linear then some minimal phase, now I have to use 2 Pro-Q instead. I actually want to retire Equilibrium and use Fabfilter only, but they're not making it easy, still have to use multiple EQ plugins which I hate doing. And it's not like they're always right, remember Timeless 3? I don't remember a single person in the forums praising it's delay time knob with the outer ring offset that you have to open a tab to choose time divisons instead of some normal knobs like Valhalla and Echoboy.

[jtsterays]

I never had any problem with the sound of ProQ3. To me it sounds great. Or better said, it doesn't have a sound.
I don't care about some tiny little differences you can barely hear.

To me there are few things that make ProQ above the crowd :
- workflow
- features
- GUI
- coding !!!! The Fabfilter plugins are the most stable, issues free, CPU friendly, and long term updated plugins I have on my computer. Saturn 1 is still updated (it was released in 2012). It works on an Apple Silicon Mac. You can share presets with Saturn 2...
My session never crashed with ProQ3, or any other Fabfilter plugin. And my CPU loves them.

Working professionnaly with these kind of tools is a blessing. I love DMG Audio stuff, but I'm less confident with them. I have some issues with Equick for exemple (it crashes my session sometimes when I open the GUI). TrackComp is great now but it had some nasty hidden bugs few times in its lifespan (but it's still the best "do-it-all" compressor plugin I know).

It's great to be able to rely on tools like the Fabfilter ones. It may not be the best sounding stuff ever, but yes, it's a "fantastic workflow".

Sorry when I said sound quality I was refering to the other FF plugins (Comp,Saturator,Reverb). All digital EQs sound the same.

[elxsound]

I don't understand why what I'm saying seems bizarre to you guys. What's so unusual about asking for 2-3 EQ curves that would be extremely tedious to match that takes multiple EQ points, which clutter the interface and slow down the workflow significantly. Shouldn't Fabfilter, the company known best for fast workflow plugins prioritizes this? Even Kelvin from Tone Projects have multiple curve types and nobody complained that there are too many for a saturator. How about no per band phase setting so i can have some linear then some minimal phase, now I have to use 2 Pro-Q instead. I actually want to retire Equilibrium and use Fabfilter only, but they're not making it easy, still have to use multiple EQ plugins which I hate doing. And it's not like they're always right, remember Timeless 3? I don't remember a single person in the forums praising it's delay time knob with the outer ring offset that you have to open a tab to choose time divisons instead of some normal knobs like Valhalla and Echoboy.

It’s not bizarre if that helps.

It’s more that it’s not up to us, and it’s up to FF.

Additionally, I don’t need what you want. I’m okay using multiple EQs if that’s what I’m after. Most of the time, I don’t need anything else. And truthfully… I really don’t need any of the other EQs, but it’s fun reading about what was done in the past and being able to recreate it.

And Timeless 3… From the last time this came up, more people disliked the UI changes than those that did like it. Still there are some who say Timeless 3 is their go to. I still prefer Timeless 2’s UI over 3.

Just different takes on things. Nothing wrong with that.