KVR Audio

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:57 pm

Andreya_Autumn wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:31 pm
Ploki wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:00 pm I mentioned aliasing, but you’ll only trigger it if you go to *kprrghghfftsshk*

Not sure how they antialiased with 3 samples because it doesn’t screw up phase and 3 samples isn’t enough for linear phase filter
Right. That's forgivable IMO, since off-the-power-rails levels of murderation seem outside the intended use case here.

How do you know it doesn't screw up phase? Plugin Doctor? 3 samples should be enough for a downsampling stage with a filter whose phase distortion would be negligible when you're adding that non-linearity anyway, was my thought. But of course, we can only speculate.

Point is I think there's nothing wrong with their implementation if you use it for the subtleties it was intended for. If you want your kick to go from *Tthoowp* to *KshhÄÄshht* you should probably look elsewhere!

sorry it does screw up phase! pretty steep filter, so minimal phase.
so yes, oversampling.

minimal phase is what i generally prefer anyway
what's odd tho, the phase is screwed up with saturation EVEN if you switch to linearphase.
oversight

vanerio · Post by **vanerio** » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:05 pm

Someone who bought Pro-Q 1 and has upgraded all versions has spent around 400€.
Someone who buys only the latest version for the first time, only 169€.
Welcome to the hamster wheel!
hahaha this has to change

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:09 pm

That total price is offset though in ownership for 15 years.

MirkoVanHauten · Post by **MirkoVanHauten** » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:15 pm

Yeah I should have bought v4 15 years ago... ...oh wait.

elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:29 pm

MirkoVanHauten wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:15 pm Yeah I should have bought v4 15 years ago... ...oh wait.

Why would you have gone back 15 years ago?

loctune · Post by **loctune** » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:30 pm

elxsound wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:27 pm
loctune wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:06 pm F. I just bought Pro-Q3 during BF.

Should have waited a bit longer and go for the 4.
I think you will be fine because FF has always had a good policy with a grace period for recent buyers (making it a free upgrade - and I hope this is the case for you).

Anyone please correct me if I’m not remembering correctly, but didn’t they also offer a discounted upgrade price for buyers outside the grace period, but within a certain time frame?

Then, there’s the dynamic discounts too.

The upgrade sneaked into my account without me asking for it.

Good way to do business. Next time I'd probably get something else when they get on sales again.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:31 pm

No one HAS to upgrade right now. Or at all. I'll either wait for a sale or not at all. ProQ3 and my other plugins all still work great. I'm not expecting Apple to break plugin compatibility again any time soon (then again, it's Apple so you never know).

Jac459 · Post by **Jac459** » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:35 pm

59 euros upgrade price on my side... Couldn't resist.

So far so good. I was super reluctant for R2 (as I was having R1) and end up using all the time.
Hope it will be same for q4, so far I use it but less than Bitwig EQs....

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:38 pm

elxsound wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:35 pm
VitaminD wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:28 pm My Q4 upgrade price is $89.50 -- no thanks.
I’m at $62.65. The only thing I don’t own is the Twin 3 upgrade.

I think this is fair. I’ll upgrade soon.

Same price for me and I own everything. TBH, it’s a little higher than I expected but still fair and I’ll also upgrade,… but only after Dan Worrall convinces me.

kraster · Post by **kraster** » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:43 pm

I've found a bug I think.

This happens in both Ableton Live (Latest version) and Pro Tools latest version.

When using the maximum resolution (not spectral density) in spectral mode it gives a warning that the very high and Maximum spectral resolution are not available in linear phase mode but I'm not in linear phase mode. I'm in the default zero phase mode.

Also a bit of a bummer that both AAX and AU versions cannot sort by track order nor can they read track colour information.

So in Pro Tools (and I assume Logic) it sorts alphabetically and you cannot pin things based on track colour.

This has nothing to do with Fabfilter but with the respective protocols of AAX and AU not transmitting track order or track colour information

elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:45 pm

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:31 pm No one HAS to upgrade right now. Or at all. I'll either wait for a sale or not at all. ProQ3 and my other plugins all still work great. I'm not expecting Apple to break plugin compatibility again any time soon (then again, it's Apple so you never know).

Oh, I’m definitely upgrading, just not yet. I have a project to finish and setting up a new computer got in the way, so don’t the need temptation to swap out 3 for 4.

I know you’re not a fan, but I have no interest in using EQuilibrium. ProQ is my go-to and the additional features look useful. I won’t touch the saturation modes, but looks like I don’t ever need to.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Thu Dec 12, 2024 4:01 pm

elxsound wrote: Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:45 pm Oh, I’m definitely upgrading, just not yet. I have a project to finish and setting up a new computer got in the way, so don’t the need temptation to swap out 3 for 4.

I know you’re not a fan, but I have no interest in using EQuilibrium. ProQ is my go-to and the additional features look useful. I won’t touch the saturation modes, but looks like I don’t ever need to.

I've got a bit of a "gotta catch 'em all" mentality to me that I'm just actively trying to work against. I became a bit of a plugin collector in that regard and I'm just actively trying to pushback on myself from keeping that going. Was really just trying to remind others, that not buying/upgrading is an option.

With me, there's this rush of, "oh, something new...whizz bang features...gotta get it". But if I can avoid buying it immediately and remind myself I don't really need any of this stuff, the desire burns away once the forum and YouTube hype dies down. Hanging out in places like this is expensive. Don't think for a second these forums exist to share knowledge. Maybe that was the goal twenty years ago, but nowadays they're here to advertise products. And if we share some knowledge in doing so, that's a nice side effect. KVR, GS, YouTube are all bad for your wallet.

Anyway, I spent WAY less on plugins in 2024 than I did in 2023 [after all, I did still get stuff] and I don't feel like I missed out on anything that I passed on. I'm just trying to encourage others that if you think an upgrade is too expensive or underwhelming, or new product Y is a lot like old product X, just passing is an option. But I digress...

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Thu Dec 12, 2024 4:04 pm

Fabfilter support got back to me about my inquiry on upgrade pricing. I can say the support is prompt and friendly as always.

Their response: "Thank you for your interest in our plug-ins! An upgrade license is always 50% of the full price. We have slightly increased the price of our plug-ins since Pro-Q 3 was released, so it's possible the upgrade license for Pro-Q 4 is more expensive than the one of Pro-Q 3. "

So I guess this is just inflation at play. I'll wait for a sale and see if the price lowers more, while also letting the early adopters help bug fix.

martiu · Post by **martiu** » Thu Dec 12, 2024 4:11 pm

plugin very good, buy now

Razzia · Post by **Razzia** » Thu Dec 12, 2024 4:17 pm

Looks cool, but I spent money on Black Friday and, Fabfilter or not, $60+ to upgrade an EQ does not excite me. I'll get the upgrade eventually. When they have a sale and my wallet isn't feeling the sting of Black Friday. To quote some guy on youtube: "I can't think of anything that's better at what it does than Pro-Q, but I can't think of anything that costs more for what it is either"

Fabfilter Pro-Q 4!