Reason 13 Announced- Sequencer updated!

[LaLivre]

But wouldn't it make sense to have an easily accessible non-subscription demo for the “perpetual” version (which is more of a weird “must be activated once a year” version)?

It could simply be offered in addition to the $1 subscription demo version.

Edit: I tried out by myself and I searched (for about 1 minute) on the RS website for a demo version - I did not find it. All I found is the 1 $ special offer. I searched even for a demo without subscription 1 $ stuff .... so the thing you talked about that other companies do ... the thing where you have to login and create an account (which is OK for me by the way).

Conclusion: It is not possible to get a demo version of Reason 13 without falling into the hands of the (1$ free trial) subscription model.

This company really seems to hate good software-workflow and customer centricity

[waxtrax]

Is it too much to just pay the dollar and move on with your life instead of dragging this on for several pages of back and forth over something so stupid? This is an asinine first-world problem.

[LaLivre]

I disagree, I think it is good to have a critical mindset and some enthusiasm for good usability and quality in daily life.

[kmonkey]

Is it too much to just pay the dollar and move on with your life instead of dragging this on for several pages of back and forth over something so stupid? This is an asinine first-world problem.

I can speak for myself - It is always, like always one step too much for anyone to ask my Credit Card number only to be able to try the product - and this is exactly what Reason Studios does.

Regardless of its nature, be it software, saas, or whatever if you ask me for my personal financial credit card only for a Trial - goodbye.

If you think I am weird or against the best practices in this line of business then look here:

Steinberg Cubase - no CC needed to trial
Bitwig - no CC needed to trial
Reaper - no CC needed to trial
Ableton Live - no CC needed to trial
FL Studio - no CC needed to trial

And then they not only make it "one time pay $1 and trial" but you need to be alerted and watch on timing or else your $1 trial subscription converts into a real subscription unless you cancel.

So yes. They are making it on purpose. They need to absorb all the sh** they produce and I really like how actually poor they turned out after all these years. You look at the whole picture and you can literally see how desperate they become. Just look at their cringe marketing.

Karma

[Jac459]

Is it too much to just pay the dollar and move on with your life instead of dragging this on for several pages of back and forth over something so stupid? This is an asinine first-world problem.

I can speak for myself - It is always, like always one step too much for anyone to ask my Credit Card number only to be able to try the product - and this is exactly what Reason Studios does.

Regardless of its nature, be it software, saas, or whatever if you ask me for my personal financial credit card only for a Trial - goodbye.

If you think I am weird or against the best practices in this line of business then look here:

Steinberg Cubase - no CC needed to trial
Bitwig - no CC needed to trial
Reaper - no CC needed to trial
Ableton Live - no CC needed to trial
FL Studio - no CC needed to trial

And then they not only make it "one time pay $1 and trial" but you need to be alerted and watch on timing or else your $1 trial subscription converts into a real subscription unless you cancel.

So yes. They are making it on purpose. They need to absorb all the sh** they produce and I really like how actually poor they turned out after all these years. You look at the whole picture and you can literally see how desperate they become. Just look at their cringe marketing.

Karma

Dunno if this deserve a long discussion but if I need to put my credit card for a trial it is instant goodbye for me too.

Didn't know they were at this stage.... Kind of sad.

[crimsonwarlock]

Conclusion: It is not possible to get a demo version of Reason 13 without falling into the hands of the (1$ free trial) subscription model.

Wrong conclusion.

Let's try this again:
1. Make an account, and make sure you are logged in on the Reason Studios website.
2. Go to https://reasonstudios.com/download/reason13/
3. Download the installer from that page.
4. Install. When you start it, you get the option to run in demo-mode.

The demo-mode is restricted, but NOT time limited. You can try it out as long as you like.

Now, to make this clear once and for all, there is a sticky on the ReasonTalk forum, specifically about this: https://forum.reasontalk.com/viewtopic. ... &t=7525554

[oscillik]

Conclusion: It is not possible to get a demo version of Reason 13 without falling into the hands of the (1$ free trial) subscription model.

Wrong conclusion.

Let's try this again:
1. Make an account, and make sure you are logged in on the Reason Studios website.
2. Go to https://reasonstudios.com/download/reason13/
3. Download the installer from that page.
4. Install. When you start it, you get the option to run in demo-mode.

The demo-mode is restricted, but NOT time limited. You can try it out as long as you like.

Now, to make this clear once and for all, there is a sticky on the ReasonTalk forum, specifically about this: https://forum.reasontalk.com/viewtopic. ... &t=7525554

This practice is what is known as a Dark Pattern, and as already mentioned above, is clearly intended to steer people into signing up for the $1 trial in the hopes that they will forget about it.

Otherwise there would be more prominent mention on the actual product website that no trial subscription is required to demo the product.

[LaLivre]

Why I have to read through explanations here on KVR or Reasontalk forum to understand how to install a simple demo of a music software without a "subscription mode"?

To install a demo version in nearly every fu***ng other company is 1000 times more user friendly then on RS. No wonder so less people use Reason.

Come on, I searched on their website for the demo for about 1 minute! If someone ( e.g. a complete new, young, unexpierenced user who is interested in reason but has no experience in researching stuff on its own and just wants to try out the software) can not find the software's demo in under a minute ... guys come on, thats just a terrible user experience, terrible webdesign, terrible marketing.

I don't know why people still invent crappy stuff like this. I just don't understand who there constantly comes up with such stupid ideas at RS headquarters. It's incredibly bad for product development and robs valuable energy.

So much is truly simply terrible how it works right now.

And if someone thinks that I'm too stupid to find the demo:
I immediately found it on Ableton, Cubase or Bitwig#s websites. Look on your own.

[crimsonwarlock]

Why I have to read through explanations ....

Why do we have to read your continued bitching about the same thing over and over again, while you obviously still didn't download and install the demo, and probably don't even want to.

We get it, you don't like how they do things, but you are clearly not even a Reason user, nor want to be one, so why are you even in this discussion

[LaLivre]

I'm definitely a Reason user, and as soon as the Studio One 7 demo arrives, I'll try it out and I think I'll be gone. So I'll be an ex-user soon then - that's something for you to celebrate already.

By the way: I also tried the demo a few weeks ago. I don't like the browser and there aren't enough really new DAW and Rack functions for me. I don't think it's a good update.

[kmonkey]

Why I have to read through explanations here on KVR or Reasontalk forum to understand how to install a simple demo of a music software without a "subscription mode"?

To install a demo version in nearly every fu***ng other company is 1000 times more user friendly then on RS. No wonder so less people use Reason.

You are completely correct however Reason gang members will do everything to tell you you are wrong. But that's why they are being left alone in their cartoon DAW and cartoonish mentality

With great cartoon DAW comes great cartoon mind

[SLiC]

I'm definitely a Reason user, and as soon as the Studio One 7 demo arrives, I'll try it out and I think I'll be gone. So I'll be an ex-user soon then - that's something for you to celebrate already.

By the way: I also tried the demo a few weeks ago. I don't like the browser and there aren't enough really new DAW and Rack functions for me. I don't think it's a good update.

If people like me (regular updaters) are not updating even with the current 60% offer, you know it was a bad update....

That said- Objekt is on sale for 38 quid, that more tempting as I pretty much just use Reason as a Rack now-a-days (Edit- just noted its not MPE so I wont bother. PM really shines with MPE and I have an Osmose so I will skip it...no money for Reason from me this year even in the sales)

[LaLivre]

To be honest I think the new 60% update offer (around 79,-) seems ok for the value.

But sadly still no folders, markers or hide mixer tracks....

[Jac459]

I'm definitely a Reason user, and as soon as the Studio One 7 demo arrives, I'll try it out and I think I'll be gone. So I'll be an ex-user soon then - that's something for you to celebrate already.

By the way: I also tried the demo a few weeks ago. I don't like the browser and there aren't enough really new DAW and Rack functions for me. I don't think it's a good update.

If people like me (regular updaters) are not updating even with the current 60% offer, you know it was a bad update....

That said- Objekt is on sale for 38 quid, that more tempting as I pretty much just use Reason as a Rack now-a-days (Edit- just noted its not MPE so I wont bother. PM really shines with MPE and I have an Osmose so I will skip it...no money for Reason from me this year even in the sales)

Objekt for 38 quid is worth it. It is a great great synth. Even without MPE.

[xbitz]

Reason 13.1 is here
https://www.reasonstudios.com/news/post ... -1-is-here