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Uncle E wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 8:25 pm
jens wrote: Mon Dec 16, 2024 3:39 am Yes - putting stereo-fx on mono-sources - you know, wild crazy stuff such as putting a chorus on a guitar or a phaser on some bass-guitar or who knows, *gasp* maybe even inserting a reverb on a vocal-track or a rotary on an organ one - I know that's really way out there, but that's me - I always keep coming up with bizarre ideas like these.
Ah, got it. You're right, this needs to be fixed. The solution is to drag the audio to a stereo track after you've recorded but it shouldn't be necessary. Convert to Stereo only works when there are two separate tracks.
Yes, but the you need this additional track each time you record additional material and need to keep moving it to the stereo-track. And If you want to monitor-through the inserts, that of course needs significantly more ressources. Or you could record the mono-source to a stereo-track, but that would needlessly double-up the data. A third option would be to route to a bus.

But all these options are far from being ideal or even just reasonable, and yet the folks at UA seem to find their implementation completely normal and do not appear to see a problem at all. What is super-weird to me is that their argument seems to be that Luna follows more closely a traditional hardware-approach, but that is of course absolutely not the case. To me their channel-architecture seems to frankly indicate that they have a very limited understanding of the mechanics of music-production, be it analog or digital. :shrug:

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The Idea has been mentioned to just put Luna behind another DAW, and just send the audio to Luna for mixing purposes.
That was a quite tempting idea ! had to give it a go. So far, just a freeze then a crash.
will try it again when i have the nervs for that, haha.
( mac, Sequoia)

anybody else on a mac, Sequoia ? How is it running ?
"Plugin has turned Drug now"....and the business knows it.

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Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to at some point just render out stems, then mix in Luna?

(in that case it also wouldn't matter quite as much having to convert mono-sources into stereo-tracks (because there'd be no unused material (takes, etc.) at all).)

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jens wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:56 pm Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to at some point just render out stems, then mix in Luna?
a RE to me ? For common workflows ? much likely. I have no clou. I´m not exactly into common production work.

"behind another DAW" ....was a big simplicfication vs. how to phrase things out, compared to what i really do. Imagine jamming along in ableton live with some loops, but have all the final outboard treatment loaded in a specific host, in this case for example Luna, using Luna like a SW replacement for a HW desk. So, i could setup jamms with some loops on the quick in ableton live, but not have to care for any outboard plugins. things like that.
And if i can finally gel with Lunas workflow, record from there directly into luna. Which would be a 2nd task. I finally still ned to find a DAW for audio-recording-only work that suits me.
i have there several ideas of "what could be" ;)
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Funky40 wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 8:21 pm
jens wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 4:56 pm Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to at some point just render out stems, then mix in Luna?
a RE to me ? For common workflows ? much likely. I have no clou. I´m not exactly into common production work.

"behind another DAW" ....was a big simplicfication vs. how to phrase things out, compared to what i really do. Imagine jamming along in ableton live with some loops, but have all the final outboard treatment loaded in a specific host, in this case for example Luna, using Luna like a SW replacement for a HW desk. So, i could setup jamms with some loops on the quick in ableton live, but not have to care for any outboard plugins. things like that.
And if i can finally gel with Lunas workflow, record from there directly into luna. Which would be a 2nd task. I finally still ned to find a DAW for audio-recording-only work that suits me.
i have there several ideas of "what could be" ;)
Yes, it was in reply to you...

I think it could be actually quite nice/feasible to have that by using two machines with the audio going via ADAT from Live into Luna.

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Blue Cat Audio Connector should be able to manage it on a single computer.

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jens wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 9:13 pm via ADAT
Stupid me :dog: - the easiest and (by far) least expensive way would of course be via Dante Virtual Soundcard...

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Uncle E wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 9:17 pm Blue Cat Audio Connector should be able to manage it on a single computer.
Good call! :tu:

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Blackhole might be a free way to do it.

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Uncle E wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 9:43 pm Blackhole might be a free way to do it.
had to google it, here's why: Mac only (so far)

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jens wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 9:13 pm I think it could be actually quite nice/feasible to have that by using two machines with the audio going via ADAT from Live into Luna.
i´ve donne allready quite complex multi app setups on a M2mac with 8 P-cores.
I´m now on an M4 with 10 P-cores....plenty more power !
Uncle E wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 9:43 pm Blackhole might be a free way to do it.
That´s what i use !

I have allways -permanently- a multi-app audio environment going (on just one mac).
Blackhole works like a charm for me !
While i´ve had issues with the BC Connector plugin.
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musicproducerdee wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 12:48 pm Yes, it's because of the summing engine expansions. At the moment you can choose between API Console Summing and Neve Console Summing engines. You can also load the API Console plugin on the mixer channels, and it displays itself like an actual mixing console would.

As for the live musician, I believe Ableton Live has pretty much established itself as the default program for that purpose, with additional input from Native Instruments Maschine etc. They basically did it long ago, before most of the big names and they did it very well, so.
I was meaning more than I thought it was aiming as a live mixing desk/console. i.e. with Apollo if you're a band you can set up to have a really nice set of 'outboard' FX to play through.

I should probably try out the summing engines, but I'm not too sure what I'd gain. I have plenty of tools to trim off channels/groups etc, and mix with plenty of headroom so...

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btw, Luna's new Bounce feature is exceptional. It already could freeze and export but Bounce is the best parts of both and, IMO, better than Studio One's and Cubase's. This and other features make me believe that Maschine and FL Studio users are better off using them as plugins within Luna.

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Funky40 wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 10:35 pm
jens wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 9:13 pm I think it could be actually quite nice/feasible to have that by using two machines with the audio going via ADAT from Live into Luna.
i´ve donne allready quite complex multi app setups on a M2mac with 8 P-cores.
I´m now on an M4 with 10 P-cores....plenty more power !
Yeah, I meant because you then can control both at once...

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Uncle E wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 5:00 pm Yes, the plugins. When you have the Luna Pro Bundle, everything gets loaded up automatically:

Studer A800
API Vision
API Summing
Ampex ATR-102
API 2500
Thanks for the details. :tu:

I have all those except the summing. I should probably try it out, but I really can't see what it would really give me over the mastering chain I use.

How would you describe it?

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