UAD Luna solely for mixing & mastering?

[Uncle E]

It's all the buzz words. Before you even do anything, everything sounds glued, harsh frequencies are smoothed, and transients are softened.

[audiouser720]

Yes, the plugins. When you have the Luna Pro Bundle, everything gets loaded up automatically:

Studer A800
API Vision
API Summing
Ampex ATR-102
API 2500

Thanks for the details.

I have all those except the summing. I should probably try it out, but I really can't see what it would really give me over the mastering chain I use.

How would you describe it?

It’s basically cheap Pro Tools. So if you want Pro Tools but not happy with their pricing etc, this is the closest alternative. Same key commands, same aesthetics etc. Sound / summing is a bonus. I like

[audiouser720]

Yes, the plugins. When you have the Luna Pro Bundle, everything gets loaded up automatically:

Studer A800
API Vision
API Summing
Ampex ATR-102
API 2500

Thanks for the details.

I have all those except the summing. I should probably try it out, but I really can't see what it would really give me over the mastering chain I use.

How would you describe it?

It’s basically cheap Pro Tools. So if you want Pro Tools but not happy with their pricing etc, this is the closest alternative. Same key commands, same aesthetics etc. Sound / summing is a bonus. I like

EDIT: Also Luna + Apollo = lowest latency measures following Pro Tools HD, if this matters to you

[_leras]

Sorry, I was meaning more specifically, is the summing any good.

I have come to love mixing in Bitwig, and can't see using Luna except if I maybe wanted to be a masochist and add a step to bounce down to stems to take advantage of the summing.

Also, I am lucky enough to have Wavelab for mastering, post any 'stem' mixing.

(Bitwigs grouping is so good that I feel like I bet to a stems mixing type situation anyway...)

[jens]

It’s basically cheap Pro Tools. So if you want Pro Tools but not happy with their pricing etc, this is the closest alternative. Same key commands, same aesthetics etc. Sound / summing is a bonus. I like

Nah, not in the slightest - key-commands are usually user-definable, so that's basically irrelevant... both GUIs are widely different and functionality/feature-wise they are worlds apart.

[BertKoor]

is the summing any good

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0 + 0 = 0
0 + 1 = 1
1 + 0 = 1
1 + 1 = 10

Yeah that looks good to me. What more could you possibly want

[elxsound]

is the summing any good

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0 + 0 = 0
0 + 1 = 1
1 + 0 = 1
1 + 1 = 10

Yeah that looks good to me. What more could you possibly want

[jens]

is the summing any good.

That's a matter of taste... it certainly ads hints of lemon-fruits and cedar - in the finish there's well-integrated tannins and balanced acidity.

What's your preferred summing so far?

[martinjuenke]

Think out of the box:

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[twal]

Sorry, I was meaning more specifically, is the summing any good.

I have come to love mixing in Bitwig, and can't see using Luna except if I maybe wanted to be a masochist and add a step to bounce down to stems to take advantage of the summing.

Also, I am lucky enough to have Wavelab for mastering, post any 'stem' mixing.

(Bitwigs grouping is so good that I feel like I bet to a stems mixing type situation anyway...)

Sure, if you are mixing single tracks and putting together electronic music singles personally; but if you are mixing huge albums for artists, bands, clients then you would have to be a "masochist" to mix in Bitwig- in that case you would obvioulsy use PT, Reaper, Luna or what have you...

Luna is more than just another pro tools, it is a whole environment with additions happening, the creators themselves are passionate, and the analog feel is unique to it...

[Uncle E]

Sorry, I was meaning more specifically, is the summing any good.

Yes, the summing is good. When everything is used together, I'd say there's a 20% improvement to the sound. It isn't subtle.

[audiouser720]

It’s basically cheap Pro Tools. So if you want Pro Tools but not happy with their pricing etc, this is the closest alternative. Same key commands, same aesthetics etc. Sound / summing is a bonus. I like

Nah, not in the slightest - key-commands are usually user-definable, so that's basically irrelevant... both GUIs are widely different and functionality/feature-wise they are worlds apart.

I’m not sure they’re worlds apart. GUI is very similar, but Luna is more forward thinking, more 21 century (probably it’s showing what PT should or could have been, so Luna to PT is like Betwig to Abletob). It isn’t Pro Tools obviously and hasn’t all the same functionality , but if you read about its development story, I think it indeed intended to be a successor (Luna + Apollo) or an alternative to PT HD systems.

Other DAWs (like Reaper with PT key commands and themes) are not even in the same ballpark and have not been developed for the same purpose, whereas Luna Apollo combo is direct competitor to PT HD systems.

If you mix ITB, Luna summing is really very good. Like above said, if you know what you are doing it does give an extra, hm, maybe not 20% but 16%. But it’s not a creative DAW (not to say you can’t be creative in it). It simulates mixing desk workflow and facilitates traditional recording, just like PT. What I am saying is you probably still need your Ableton or Fl studio or whatever solution if you are sequencing ITB, but it’s the same with PT.

[Uncle E]

Agreed. Definitely not worlds apart. It's designed for Pro Tools users first (to my chagrin) and many have switched. Plus, if someone is only using it for mixing, it isn't worlds apart from anything.

[twal]

It’s basically cheap Pro Tools. So if you want Pro Tools but not happy with their pricing etc, this is the closest alternative. Same key commands, same aesthetics etc. Sound / summing is a bonus. I like

Nah, not in the slightest - key-commands are usually user-definable, so that's basically irrelevant... both GUIs are widely different and functionality/feature-wise they are worlds apart.

What I am saying is you probably still need your Ableton or Fl studio or whatever solution if you are sequencing ITB, but it’s the same with PT.

You probably don't need Ableton or Fl. It's a strange world when you probably need those to sequence. Many artists use PT to sequence, produce, sound design...

[vertibration]

It’s basically cheap Pro Tools. So if you want Pro Tools but not happy with their pricing etc, this is the closest alternative. Same key commands, same aesthetics etc. Sound / summing is a bonus. I like

Nah, not in the slightest - key-commands are usually user-definable, so that's basically irrelevant... both GUIs are widely different and functionality/feature-wise they are worlds apart.

What I am saying is you probably still need your Ableton or Fl studio or whatever solution if you are sequencing ITB, but it’s the same with PT.

You probably don't need Ableton or Fl. It's a strange world when you probably need those to sequence. Many artists use PT to sequence, produce, sound design...

Wut? Many artists who love pain.....