Kazrog Mhb green

[multree]

true.... I was talking more about the saturation and less about the EQ changes.... they are still there but not in an unpleasing way and I must admit that turning up the warmth knob gave me the impression of giving back the original EQ curve. Listening back now though I see what you mean.... I couldn't tell you by ear though how much boost or cut there is, but the sound is slightly hyped

[multree]

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so yeah... EQ wise it is FAR from clean....

[martiu]

sub bass and upper treble lift, just like a candy bar

[multree]

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[figgs]

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so yeah... EQ wise it is FAR from clean....

Apologies, excuse my inexperience but what are you using to analyze this with, and what particularly is the chart communicating?

[bmanic]

For those that have FabFilter Pro-Q4, you can download my EQ compensation preset HERE
(Google Drive, ZIP, 1kb).

Use it after MHB to effectively neutralize the output, frequency response wise. There are two presets, one where I did a rough estimate using Plugin Doctor and the 2nd where I further tweaked it by ear. They are very similar so use whichever you want.

[DCrown]

I demoed it. It's great plugin!
Love it on bass.

[multree]

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so yeah... EQ wise it is FAR from clean....

Apologies, excuse my inexperience but what are you using to analyze this with, and what particularly is the chart communicating?

That would be Plug-in doctor https://ddmf.eu/plugindoctor/

The Chart shows, as I understand it, the frequency response of the Plug-in at a certain input level with the given Settings of the Plug-ins knobs. On a Compressor/ Saturator that response isn‘t the same for all Input levels though.

A digital EQ for example can be analyzed with the linear analysis, with dynamic Plugins you Must Switch to harmonic analysis.

And to my understanding, that’s still Not the whole picture…

[Scotty Ellis]

For those that have FabFilter Pro-Q4, you can download my EQ compensation preset HERE
(Google Drive, ZIP, 1kb).

Use it after MHB to effectively neutralize the output, frequency response wise. There are two presets, one where I did a rough estimate using Plugin Doctor and the 2nd where I further tweaked it by ear. They are very similar so use whichever you want.

Thank you for this bmanic. It really makes MHB so much more flexible!

[Synthman2000]

For those that have FabFilter Pro-Q4, you can download my EQ compensation preset HERE
(Google Drive, ZIP, 1kb).

Use it after MHB to effectively neutralize the output, frequency response wise. There are two presets, one where I did a rough estimate using Plugin Doctor and the 2nd where I further tweaked it by ear. They are very similar so use whichever you want.

One cannot but wonder how Michael Brauer managed without that.

[DCrown]

The GUI kinda supports higher cpu usage and quite long loading times and value changes.
As soon as I change to Reaper UI everything is fine.
It's sad that gui is making plugin worse.
A simple, less ressource eating gui would be appreciated, no need to make it look like hardware imo.

[multree]

no need to make it look like hardware imo.

I disagree. if a software models a hardware unit, it should (imo) also look like it. Especially if it tries to replicate one exact piece of hardware.

in this special case things could be more legible (especially at lower sizes) and improvements could be made here and there but apart from that....

honestly though.... I didn't even purchase it, so why am I still talking? I'm quite happy using Kazrog's True Dynamics (which are way more generic - apart from a slight low-cut there's no apparent EQ change at all) and IF I want EQ changes I simply use the True 252.

[kritikon]

I like sausage fatteners, but any plug-in that changes things so badly that you have to use another plug-in to correct it....a very hard no. It smacks of that old STA enhancer - I quite liked it but the massive Eq scoop was too much and I deleted it eventually, fortunately not expensive. If there was a control to lessen it, then maybe. To me it's outright proof that just because something was hw doesn't automatically mean it was good, and the clamour to emulate hw can sometimes be quite misguided. I suppose it's a point of difference though - "use our compressor and wreck your audio"

[bmanic]

The frequency scooping that this plugin does (and probably the hardware too) is actually very useful on a whole host of audio sources. It's the kind of scooping you would be doing anyhow while mixing. Thus these things sound "correct" rather immediately on a huge range of different sources.

The EQ neutral preset that I posted for Pro-Q4 is completely optional and simply means you can more easily use this plugin on already mixed things. For instance if you decide you want the harmonics and the compression of the MHB in a very late stage of a mix, that's where the EQ preset helps.

But if you use it as intended, from the very get-go, then the scooping is very rarely an issue.

Mind you, this is not at all uncommon in the case of old analogue hardware. Anybody who has worked with tape knows just how much things can change (at least if you worked with lower fidelity stuff) and you simply work around it or with it. The issues with big EQ changes only comes up when you are already close to finishing the mix.. that's where tape was so annoying back in the day. When you already had a mix going that you were happy with and then you had to transfer it to a consumer/prosumer tape system (like all those Akais and Revox machines). I hated that! Luckily I missed most of that era and the few times I had to do an actual commerical song tape transfer I had access to super high-end things like Telefunken or Studer machines that hardly changed the sound at all.

[bmanic]

The GUI kinda supports higher cpu usage and quite long loading times and value changes.
As soon as I change to Reaper UI everything is fine.
It's sad that gui is making plugin worse.
A simple, less ressource eating gui would be appreciated, no need to make it look like hardware imo.

It's just bad code. Simple as that. No matter how complex it looks, it shouldn't take any extra CPU cycles (or at the most a tiny minimal fraction of a %) just because it looks pretty.

Unfortunately Kazrog code isn't always the most reliable. I've had quite a bit of problems with their plugins in terms of UI responsiveness and other weirdness. This plugin is no different. For instance, switching the over sampling from 2x to 8x totally stops my computer in it's tracks. I get the spinning beach ball for up to 30 seconds before it switches.. so I just set it, save it as default, and forget it.

But yeah.. bad code. It's a bit of a given with Kazrog stuff in my experience. Unfortunately. Sounds great tho so I'm willing to live with it.