+1000vitocorleone123 wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 6:12 amAnd you just look like you're wrong. Get some information.Gam456 wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 4:24 ammholloway wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 3:38 amthe 480 does not 'go further' than the 224. it's just different. but actual info is clearly wasted on you. so uh, just keep on dishing out inaccurate, crappy, misleading advice on the internet, then, I guess, definitely not enough of that going on alreadyGam456 wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:49 amLike I said the big brothermholloway wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2024 11:35 pmHuh ??? The 480 and 224 have a completely different sonic character. They may both be Lexicon but this is still apples and oranges. The 224 excels at very long, heavily modulated tails. Try doing the same with the 480 and it's immediately clear it's a very different reverb.![]()
You look tensed. It's not good for your blood pressure. Get a tea![]()
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so many great reverb plugins really. i find myself mostly using fabfilter's R2, the valhalla verbs (mostly vintage); ufx 2 is great too, as are logic's chromaverb & the new quantec emulations. and that's just half of the reverbs i own... 
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I have the SP2016 and the Stereo Room 2016 plugins.Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:45 pmThe Princeton Digital Stereo Room 2016 is now the Eventide Stereo Room 2016. Princeton Digital was Tony Agnello from Eventide. Then development stopped for a while. Then the same exact plugin reappeared and got rebranded as an Eventide plugin. Then they added features and updated the GUI in the Stereo Room 2016 plugin.masterhiggins wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:21 pm It really is amazing how not a single reverb from the first post is currently in development. Most of the companies don’t even exist anymore.
So that one is kind of still around.![]()
Check this info I found online and look at those prices
I think that was from maybe 2006 though, so that's way-back-when pricing:
https://www.princetondigital.com/produc ... b2016.html
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In today's dollars that's about $1,100.Examigan wrote: Mon Dec 23, 2024 8:48 pmI have the SP2016 and the Stereo Room 2016 plugins.Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:45 pmThe Princeton Digital Stereo Room 2016 is now the Eventide Stereo Room 2016. Princeton Digital was Tony Agnello from Eventide. Then development stopped for a while. Then the same exact plugin reappeared and got rebranded as an Eventide plugin. Then they added features and updated the GUI in the Stereo Room 2016 plugin.masterhiggins wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 5:21 pm It really is amazing how not a single reverb from the first post is currently in development. Most of the companies don’t even exist anymore.
So that one is kind of still around.![]()
Check this info I found online and look at those prices![]()
I think that was from maybe 2006 though, so that's way-back-when pricing:
https://www.princetondigital.com/produc ... b2016.html
And yet people bitch about $29 plugins (about $18.50 in 2006) rather than simply demoing everything they can and waiting to get the best one they can afford. And not play plug-e-mon and try to catch them all.
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- 7681 posts since 2 Sep, 2019
Not exactly. The Princeton Digital Stereo Room 2016 is the stereo room algorithm from Princeton Digital’s hardware Reverb 2016 processor that attempted to recreate the SP2016. But there were some errors in the algorithm that made it inexact.Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:45 pm The Princeton Digital Stereo Room 2016 is now the Eventide Stereo Room 2016. Princeton Digital was Tony Agnello from Eventide. Then development stopped for a while. Then the same exact plugin reappeared and got rebranded as an Eventide plugin. Then they added features and updated the GUI in the Stereo Room 2016 plugin.
So they tried again. The SP2016 plugin is a 100% accurate recreation.
https://reverb.com/news/eventide-releas ... tware-pick"The Princeton Digital box, TDM release, as well as the 2016 Stereo Room were based on my initial attempts at emulating the original SP2016 box. The algorithms are fairly exact, but I did screw up some minor stuff, including— funnily enough—the sample rate," Agnello says. "My memory was that the original sample rate was exactly 40kHz. Turns out it's close, but not exact. I never bothered to measure the box."
"That, plus a few other errors/bugs resulted in the Princeton Digital stuff sounding really good, but not exactly like the hardware. Eventide's DSP guys decided to dig in and 'make it right,' the Eventide SP2016 Reverb Plugin is the great-sounding result of that," Agnello says.
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Thanks for the info. Didn't know that. I met Tony Agnello at an AES back when Princeton Digital was still new and that was one of the only good ITB reverbs. I never noticed a big change in sound, but sounds like there were a few things here and there that got tweaked. So that's cool.
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It can be a little confusing, particularly because the 224 and 480L both have LARC controllers. But the 480 is a newer generation reverb algorithm than the 224, so it would technically be the “younger brother.”Gam456 wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:49 amLike I said the big brothermholloway wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2024 11:35 pmHuh ??? The 480 and 224 have a completely different sonic character. They may both be Lexicon but this is still apples and oranges. The 224 excels at very long, heavily modulated tails. Try doing the same with the 480 and it's immediately clear it's a very different reverb.Gam456 wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2024 9:40 pmYou can go further with the Relab 480, the big brotherIgro wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2024 8:07 pm Just got UA Lexicon 224. Very different from everything I had before (including the Arturia version). Very impressed at how musical it is. If fact, I always preferred very clean sounding reverbs before. This changed my mind.
The 224 is from 1978 and introduced chorusing to the internal delays of the reverb tail, which resolved the problem of metallic reverb.
The 480 debuted in 1986, and introduced the “random hall” which was Lexicon’s next generation reverb. It replaced the internal chorusing with pseudo-random modulation, to produce a more natural reverb without the obvious chorusing of the 224.
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- KVRian
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jamcat wrote: Tue Dec 24, 2024 3:17 amIt can be a little confusing, particularly because the 224 and 480L both have LARC controllers. But the 480 is a newer generation reverb algorithm than the 224, so it would technically be the “younger brother.”Gam456 wrote: Sun Dec 22, 2024 12:49 amLike I said the big brothermholloway wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2024 11:35 pmHuh ??? The 480 and 224 have a completely different sonic character. They may both be Lexicon but this is still apples and oranges. The 224 excels at very long, heavily modulated tails. Try doing the same with the 480 and it's immediately clear it's a very different reverb.Gam456 wrote: Sat Dec 21, 2024 9:40 pmYou can go further with the Relab 480, the big brotherIgro wrote: Fri Dec 20, 2024 8:07 pm Just got UA Lexicon 224. Very different from everything I had before (including the Arturia version). Very impressed at how musical it is. If fact, I always preferred very clean sounding reverbs before. This changed my mind.
The 224 is from 1978 and introduced chorusing to the internal delays of the reverb tail, which resolved the problem of metallic reverb.
The 480 debuted in 1986, and introduced the “random hall” which was Lexicon’s next generation reverb. It replaced the internal chorusing with pseudo-random modulation, to produce a more natural reverb without the obvious chorusing of the 224.
There is no confusion at all. Obiously there never been the same. There are different unit.
But... the 480L was able to use card like the classic card with 4 algorithm from the 224.
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I picked up Primavera a while ago on sale, and it’s now my goto spring, replacing PSP SpringBox.Erik_Lucas wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2024 9:15 pm In my opinion, the best spring emu I've heard is Pulsar Audio's Primavera.
Primavera has a smoothness and warmth not present in SpringBox, and just as much drip, if not more.
Primavera does Type 4/Fender (“Twang”), Type 8/Marshall (“GBS”), and early Roland JC-120/Space Echo (“RE-201”), so I’m set for guitar amp reverb now.
I did a head-to-head comparison with Arturia’s models in Rev SPRING-636 (already knowing how that would go) and I literally winced when I went to Arturia.
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I wish Synapse DR-1 was available as a VST!
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- KVRist
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Interesting. I don't think I auditioned Primavera because I got a bit bored downloading all the latest and greatest spring reverb plugins and finding I still preferred PSP Springbox.jamcat wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2024 6:39 amI picked up Primavera a while ago on sale, and it’s now my goto spring, replacing PSP SpringBox.
Primavera has a smoothness and warmth not present in SpringBox, and just as much drip, if not more.
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Does anybody compare Primavera and Twangstrom from U-HE?
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- 2575 posts since 25 Apr, 2009 from gone
Yes : the source code is entirely different and they even don’t share the same plugin name.Alexander_D wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 6:10 am Does anybody compare Primavera and Twangstrom from U-HE?
Sorry.

