Do You Embrace A Touch Screen With Your DAW?

[THE INTRANCER]

No.

A poll having only options for people who _do_ use one is bullshit, bias confirmation rather than wanting to know what the community really thinks.

Poll questions updated.

[lfm]

Poll questions updated.

If you really think it's about being lazy to lift your arm?

There are serious injuries people get
- one called mouse arm, from having tension operating mouse
- so different wrist supports were developed to rememdy that
- it's the same with lifting entire arm for a touch screen for hours a day

There are alot of people getting headaches and other neck stuff from tilting their head 45 degrees as well. Todays generation spending hours a day with mobile screens.

You can joke about it if you want. This thread subject line you created already suggest that you see these things with touch not so beneficial.

[funky lime]

New poll: Do you like me?

A) yes
2) i am incapable of love
c.) pad thai

[funky lime]

and my phone has a pomodoro timer app so technically yes i do use a touchscreen whilst using my daw

[machinesworking]

If you really think it's about being lazy to lift your arm?

There are serious injuries people get
- one called mouse arm, from having tension operating mouse
- so different wrist supports were developed to rememdy that
- it's the same with lifting entire arm for a touch screen for hours a day

There are alot of people getting headaches and other neck stuff from tilting their head 45 degrees as well. Todays generation spending hours a day with mobile screens.

You can joke about it if you want. This thread subject line you created already suggest that you see these things with touch not so beneficial.

Yeah, this is just wrong on multiple levels, the Raven touch screen on my desk is the least neck strain screen I have, the keyboard and mouse are far more responsible for damage to my wrists than the touch screen, the difference is clear. With a keyboard and mouse the same task is repeated as the same angles, with the screen you're doing multiple gestures, it's not anywhere near as bad for you. your arms and hands are not designed to stay in one spot repeating the same task, that's the reason mice and keyboards cause issues, and why nearly every cashier has issues. Touch screens create a situation where you're moving your arms around then typing, then maybe mousing, then doing a gesture on the screen. The whole way to avoid strain is to not repeat the same activities over and over again.

You literally can avoid getting carpel tunnel etc. by incorporating a touch screen into your setup.

[lfm]

Yeah, this is just wrong on multiple levels, the Raven touch screen on my desk is the least neck strain screen I have, the keyboard and mouse are far more responsible for damage to my wrists than the touch screen, the difference is clear. With a keyboard and mouse the same task is repeated as the same angles, with the screen you're doing multiple gestures, it's not anywhere near as bad for you. your arms and hands are not designed to stay in one spot repeating the same task, that's the reason mice and keyboards cause issues, and why nearly every cashier has issues. Touch screens create a situation where you're moving your arms around then typing, then maybe mousing, then doing a gesture on the screen. The whole way to avoid strain is to not repeat the same activities over and over again.

You literally can avoid getting carpel tunnel etc. by incorporating a touch screen into your setup.

Sitting stationary at a desk all days in never good for us

But if we have good arm rests
- we avoid tensions in shoulders and upper arms

And with good wrist rest
- we avoid mouse arm and tension in lower arm
- no tension and relaxed resting and no problems
- not lifting wrist to lean on mouse

Re-established my position many times with laptop I write this on and how elbow gets rest and support or not. This with touch pad.
- so improved greatly
- got a tennis elbow thingy just about

The era of mobile devices have brought epidemics in neck strain and head aches and such among people
- you cannot lean you head forward unless straining some muscles

Working in a daw with touch screen will need repeated lifting of arm and point and touch and whatever.
- it's serious amount of mouse work and translate that into lifting arm doing all that on touch screen
- good luck

But good if you are satisfied with your computer work space.

But if you have more strain doing mouse work or touch pad you are not doing it right.

But over all we should for health reasons stand up and walk around a bit at least every hour, maybe take a long walk even.

[THE INTRANCER]

Poll questions updated.

If you really think it's about being lazy to lift your arm?

There are serious injuries people get
- one called mouse arm, from having tension operating mouse
- so different wrist supports were developed to rememdy that
- it's the same with lifting entire arm for a touch screen for hours a day

There are alot of people getting headaches and other neck stuff from tilting their head 45 degrees as well. Todays generation spending hours a day with mobile screens.

You can joke about it if you want. This thread subject line you created already suggest that you see these things with touch not so beneficial.

It's a light hearted poll initially directed towards those who use touchscreens in their daily computer use. I updated it with additional options to choose from for those who feel it applies to them. If you want to get into a debate about RSI, fair enough but that's not what this thread is about.

[machinesworking]

Yeah, this is just wrong on multiple levels, the Raven touch screen on my desk is the least neck strain screen I have, the keyboard and mouse are far more responsible for damage to my wrists than the touch screen, the difference is clear. With a keyboard and mouse the same task is repeated as the same angles, with the screen you're doing multiple gestures, it's not anywhere near as bad for you. your arms and hands are not designed to stay in one spot repeating the same task, that's the reason mice and keyboards cause issues, and why nearly every cashier has issues. Touch screens create a situation where you're moving your arms around then typing, then maybe mousing, then doing a gesture on the screen. The whole way to avoid strain is to not repeat the same activities over and over again.

You literally can avoid getting carpel tunnel etc. by incorporating a touch screen into your setup.

Sitting stationary at a desk all days in never good for us

But if we have good arm rests
- we avoid tensions in shoulders and upper arms

And with good wrist rest
- we avoid mouse arm and tension in lower arm
- no tension and relaxed resting and no problems
- not lifting wrist to lean on mouse

Re-established my position many times with laptop I write this on and how elbow gets rest and support or not. This with touch pad.
- so improved greatly
- got a tennis elbow thingy just about

The era of mobile devices have brought epidemics in neck strain and head aches and such among people
- you cannot lean you head forward unless straining some muscles

Working in a daw with touch screen will need repeated lifting of arm and point and touch and whatever.
- it's serious amount of mouse work and translate that into lifting arm doing all that on touch screen
- good luck

But good if you are satisfied with your computer work space.

But if you have more strain doing mouse work or touch pad you are not doing it right.

But over all we should for health reasons stand up and walk around a bit at least every hour, maybe take a long walk even.

None of what you said makes touch worse than mouse and keyboard for injuries, it's widely recognized that repeated tasks are the problem, so the proper angle on the screen for touch along with the fact that working with a DAW you would be using a touch screen, mouse, keyboard, and playing an instrument or two to record in etc. Stand up a bit and you're doing ok, the repetition is lower when you add in touch. That, is where I just flatly disagree with your assertions.

Yes, you want the screen at as close to 45º as possible so as to not get gorilla arm, so closer than arms reach, at a 45º angle and at a similar height to a piano i.e. your arm is slightly bent down, not at 180º more like 190 or more depending on your comfort level.

[lfm]

That, is where I just flatly disagree with your assertions.

That's alright, continue doing that if you want.

Some workplaces have special tables to get motors raise desk to standing position to not sit down constantly.
- that is hardly situation for home recording people

Between the lines I can read that you had serious issues with working at computer and just recently moved to touch
- you will see over time if that still works for you
- good luck

Using a touch does not reduce what you have to repeat one bit, in my world.
- it's just lifting entire arm and put strain on shoulder each time for each task
- you are not doing less repetition that I can see
- activate solo button or arm track for recording, lift arm to do that

One thing that is cool with touch is that implementation often is
- swipe anywhere on screen instead of finding a scrollbar with mouse
- but that involves that application is fully made that way for touch

Mostly mouse wheel is vertical scroll of tracks right a way in daw, but horisontal not(or with shift button on keyboard sometimes).
So I got this Shuttle Express that left hand easily find and the jog wheel take care of that, unless I use NUM+ or NUM- to jump between markers on timeline.
- Shuttle Express send keyboard commands for you so not needing to find a scroll bar etc

But to be particular you have to move entire arm to point to a clip and drag and mark select and such with touch anyway.
- I see no relief in strain or repetition on that

Create a new track and arm for monitoring, select inputs to use etc.
- lift entire arm to do that, I see no relief there
- recording itself is very varied each time as instruments go
- but preparing is just as repetitive as far as I can see
- soloing takes to see which one is better needs arm up there touching

It seems to me you had such bad experience with mouse not adapting to sitting situation, than I ever had.
- probably no arm rest at all so entire arm hangs on mouse or something
- that is serious load and tiresome

I often put feet up on desk beside where keyboard was, and have keyboard in knee, to vary position a bit if having a full day mixing.

But tablets are rather cool most of the time, unless you need typing too. Apps are made for that from start.
- on a pc touch is a feature looking for a purpose, IMO

Just putting my arguments on the matter out there....with a physical keyboard on a laptop with touchpad for mouse actions....feet up on table leaning back, very comfy...but this is not for daw computer at all, just browsing internet....

For daw work, this is my studio desk in pic. Second monitor with daw mixer reduces amount of click and navigation on screen a lot. So an ergonomic investment too with dual 27" monitors. Two such monitors cost a third of one Raven.

A 27" Raven upfront would put serious strain on my eyes, I think, so close. I have about 80 cm normal distance to my monitors.

Enjoy recording and mixing that is all that matters. Have fun....

[machinesworking]

Between the lines I can read that you had serious issues with working at computer and just recently moved to touch

You haven't read anything I've said then, I have had the Raven since 2016, I have not had issues with any method of input, I'm quoting common practices, you're assuming shit and going with it.

For daw work, this is my studio desk in pic. Second monitor with daw mixer reduces amount of click and navigation on screen a lot. So an ergonomic investment too.

Two monitors is good, one of your speakers up against the wall while the other is not, is really bad. Plus you don't want to be looking up, at all, that's where neck cramps come in.

[lfm]

Between the lines I can read that you had serious issues with working at computer and just recently moved to touch

You haven't read anything I've said then, I have had the Raven since 2016, I have not had issues with any method of input, I'm quoting common practices, you're assuming shit and going with it.

.. just what I read....serious problems with mouse and computer....
- I was wrong about "recently" so stand corrected

You are stating that less repetition just because of touch, how is that?
- how does the job and all operations in daw go away because of touch?

You did not read my solid arguments that lifting entire arm doing everything is seriously more strain on body than a restful position with mouse.

Every reader can decide for themselves what they prefer...you spend so much money on that Raven and still have to deal with daw mixer together with tracks in daw....

[lfm]

Two monitors is good, one of your speakers up against the wall while the other is not, is really bad. Plus you don't want to be looking up, at all, that's where neck cramps come in.

I have adjusted plugging the port of that monitor against wall, and that makes both even. Works well.

I put pics on that in another thread. Repeat below(crap camera with no shake compensation)

I raise chair enough to have pretty flat watching, if to go into that ergonomic part. Worst part looking up for me was that eyes dry out and you have to blink more to moist eyes. I had display monitors on stand before, but got another type that edge can go below that shelf a bit. It used to be 2" higher before. So all is fine now with that VESA holder(you see on pic below too).

It's helicopter view a bit so looks I sit so low. I raise chair so arm rest is level with desk, so no strain on mouse hand. Not perfect, but that's life...you make do with what you have...

[BBFG#]

If you're embracing your touch screen monitor while using it, then what are you touching to it?

[BONES]

Well that's mad, only posted this thread 24 hours ago, and over 13,000 viewed it with only 4 posts.

That's likely because, as usual, you haven't thought the options through and provided reponses that cover all potential use cases. e.g. I use the touch screen when I am about and about but I'd never use it when my computer is in its dock at home and attached to a monitor, keyboard and mouse. i.e. I use whatever makes the most sense, given the situation.

I've never been able to understand how universally ignored Windows touch capabilities are. The only thing I can think is application integration must be lacking?

I think what happened was that a number of OEMs came out with way underpowered Windows tablets when Windows 8 was around and because everyone hated Windows 8 (for no reason), they were unsuccessful and so everyone stopped making them. These days the main touch experience people would have is from a laptop on a desk and that's not really where touch shines. I do agree that it is a hugely under-rated feature of Windows 11 but that's because Microsoft have never really tried to push it, so most people wouldn't even think to try it. I only realised how good it was when I bought an Asus 2-in-1 a couple of years ago. Even then, if I hadn't gone away for the weekend with it and left the keyboard at home, I might never have realised how good it was.

Plus I think most touch screens aren't clear on proper angles for optimum use?

I dunno, Microsoft seemed to be responsive with the kickstand on the Surface Pro. It went quite quickly from a choice of two positions to being continuously variable, with a clear emphasis on it being as close to horizontal as they could make it.

Some workplaces have special tables to get motors raise desk to standing position to not sit down constantly.
- that is hardly situation for home recording people

Why not? They aren't expensive any more, Every desk in our office space, over 17 floors, has one. They even have Bluetooth control.

Using a touch does not reduce what you have to repeat one bit, in my world.
- it's just lifting entire arm and put strain on shoulder each time for each task

How does lifting your arm put strain on anything? Surely our bodies are designed to carry our own weight? I'd suggest that it's a natural movement, unlike using a mouse, that is probably a reasonable form of exercise in a well set-up workspace.

One thing that is cool with touch is that implementation often is
- swipe anywhere on screen instead of finding a scrollbar with mouse
- but that involves that application is fully made that way for touch

That's not necessarily true, most applications offload that stuff to Windows and Windows supports touch, so it all just works.

Shuttle Express send keyboard commands for you so not needing to find a scroll bar etc

Just get a good mouse and program its extra buttons to do that stuff instead. I was given a jog wheel and never found it useful, even for video editing.

[Z3R0T0N1N]

i use a Surface Studio 2+, which is 28" and 10pt touch. I use it with FL Studio, in conjunction with an Akai Fire controller. I really didn't think I would use the touchscreen, but after a couple years, now I wouldn't want to go back. I use it totally randomly, I don't have anything that I regularly use it for. It is great for how I work, which is also a bit random.