Reason 13.1 Update feature discussion

[SLiC]

Reason does have really great plugins. That's the highlight. Frankly, its not all that bad. It's just not as speedy as other DAWs

But it's pretty and I am a sucker for the hardware rack paradigm, so I cut it some slack

[liquidsound]

Reason does have really great plugins. That's the highlight. Frankly, its not all that bad. It's just not as speedy as other DAWs

Wait… Aren’t you confused? The v13 marketing is all about “Working Faster!!!”

For me it’s just “Working Better” so far…

[twal]

I went from using Live for over 12 years to FL Studio, and Ive never been happier. Once you understand how to do things in FL, its actually pretty fast the same way Live is fast as far as workflow. Reason is just extremely exhausting in its workflow. FL has a lot of really, really nice plugins and tools. Free updates for life, and they keep busting out crazy updates. FL all the way, put reason in the rearview mirror

I own FL Studio all plugin edition (moment of weakness in a BF sale!) but I havent used it for years other than checking out the off update. I tried really hard to get on with it but it just never worked for me, all pop up windows and bits of stuff that have been added over the years but never really integrated in to the workflow (especially for audio stuff). I don't really care for the included instruments and fx either, they all seem pretty dated now. If I could sell it I would, that's FL worst feature!

Reason I was on and off as a DAW (although it works great for solo singer/guitarist, has everything including a nice integrated pitch correction and tuner!), but always used it as a rack- its its superpower- all of those great instruments/fx/players/tools under CV control in any DAW you like!

They are dated but not outdated. (in terms of useability and sound not updates I don't know if They are keeping up) They FL have great instruments. The workflow is good but I prefer the traditional layout with Reaper. But, FL I remember being very easy to use with patterns. It's the mixer I had to figure out more so. Reason is good too, it's the Reaper to Ableton/Bitwig/Luna that was super clunky. The reason I stopped using FL and Reason was because I bought a registered copy of both of the these daws in person. The guy refused to transfer emails, so I contacted image line and propellerhead; and both of these companies did not want to help me- I suppose it's my fault. Now, I may decide to pick up FL knowing I can use it as an instrument in Reaper if I don't fully want to "convert"...

[twal]

I believe the Reason racks to be fun, but time consuming for me with no real payoff. I like FL way more. FL gives the most bang for your buck out of any daw I will say...

[SLiC]

I believe the Reason racks to be fun, but time consuming for me with no real payoff. I like FL way more. FL gives the most bang for your buck out of any daw I will say...

FL definate4y have its fans, but its a pity it cant be sold, I don't use mine at all and it a shame I cant sell it cheap to someone else

[liquidsound]

I believe the Reason racks to be fun, but time consuming for me with no real payoff. I like FL way more. FL gives the most bang for your buck out of any daw I will say...

FL definate4y have its fans, but its a pity it cant be sold, I don't use mine at all and it a shame I cant sell it cheap to someone else

Sell your computer with FL on it and add $100 to that

[lotus2035]

Whenever I get nostalgic for 2002 I'll fire up good old Reason.
It's like Simon Pegg's character in 'At World's End'. It barely moved on.
Which screenshot is from 2002 and which is from 2024?

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[crimsonwarlock]

Which screenshot is from 2002 and which is from 2024?

This is actually one of its strengths, try this with any other DAW and VST plugins

[SLiC]

As is the common design philosophy with all the instruments and fx, I think people take this for granted but moving from one VST designer to another can be quite jarring athletically and from a workflow point of view.

[Trancit]

...Now, I may decide to pick up FL knowing I can use it as an instrument in Reaper if I don't fully want to "convert"...

On my machine this never worked well...

If you trigger FL native instruments from another DAW the timing is more than wonky (I talk about +- 1/16th randomly) and if you sequence stuff inside the FL plugin the timing of the sequencer isn´t better either especially when you are looping transport...

You should better check with the demo before buying if it´s working better on your side...

[twal]

...Now, I may decide to pick up FL knowing I can use it as an instrument in Reaper if I don't fully want to "convert"...

On my machine this never worked well...

If you trigger FL native instruments from another DAW the timing is more than wonky (I talk about +- 1/16th randomly) and if you sequence stuff inside the FL plugin the timing of the sequencer isn´t better either especially when you are looping transport...

You should better check with the demo before buying if it´s working better on your side...

Got it thanks for the heads up

[kraster]

I like Reason best when it commits to the hardware inside the box paradigm. It feels more like a giant modular system more than a DAW.

I love it for that kind of thing. It’s just a very fun program to use.

As an all purpose daw it’s just about functional and wouldn’t see it as my daily driver.

[SebAV]

Which screenshot is from 2002 and which is from 2024?

This is actually one of its strengths, try this with any other DAW and VST plugins

Ofc, if you consider every vst, it’s true. But if you stay at a « Reason » pace when buying vst (one new every year average) you chose the right plugin manufacturer, it’s the same. NI, u-he, Arturia, Sonicharge (!) : they all keep their plugins running since their releases. Same with DAW : the « big » ones are still able to open « old » projects (I still wonder why Reason fans, which always update to the last version of Reason keep « pushing » the fact that Reason xx can open Reason 1.0 songs. How many people are really considering a DAW 20 years later with the idea of being able to open an old track ?)

[crimsonwarlock]

But if you stay at a « Reason » pace when buying vst (one new every year average) you chose the right plugin manufacturer, it’s the same.

Of course it is not the same, and buying pace has nothing to do with it. I own over 500 rack extensions, and they will all work in any future Reason version without exception.

NI, u-he, Arturia, Sonicharge (!) : they all keep their plugins running since their releases.

Until they don't, many well known plugin developers have simply disappeared for one or another reason. And besides that, big developers abandon stuff as well, like NI does regularly.

This is the big difference: it is not the RE developers who secure their REs for future Reason versions, it is Reason Studios who secure this feat. The moment that Reason was updated to run on new Apple silicon, EVERY rack extension existing was as well. While other DAWs were updated to that OS, many people found out that a big portion of their plugins still weren't updated (and many won't), and they had to resort to running compatibility modes on their Mac to keep things working.

Same with DAW : the « big » ones are still able to open « old » projects

They can load the projects, but they can't load the plugins inside those projects if hose are no longer supported or even available.

(I still wonder why Reason fans, which always update to the last version of Reason keep « pushing » the fact that Reason xx can open Reason 1.0 songs.

Because that Reason 1.0 instruments are still there and working. And every rack extension from the first one ever made, will also still load and work regardless.

How many people are really considering a DAW 20 years later with the idea of being able to open an old track ?)

Probably most people who were making music 20 years ago

[Trancit]

But if you stay at a « Reason » pace when buying vst (one new every year average) you chose the right plugin manufacturer, it’s the same.

Of course it is not the same, and buying pace has nothing to do with it. I own over 500 rack extensions, and they will all work in any future Reason version without exception.

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Without any doubt, the former Propellerheads have set up the most future-proof enviroment in software existence...
Having control and being in charge about future integration into Reason has definetely it´s advantages...

While I am a huge fan of Reason devices, I nonetheless understand the claims that the Reason Sequencer is hopelessly outdated and while it still has it´s goodies, it makes many simple tasks a nightmare to do missing any QoL working with it...