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buttermilk · Post by **buttermilk** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:54 pm

As you are based in Germany, you know the language, just refuse such outcome, ask Police for KYC procedure...

alientec wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:34 pm Today, on 10-01-2025 I've received a letter from the prosecutor office of Cologne saying - the investigation was terminated because a perpetrator could not be identified.

original text:
"das Verfahren ist eingestellt worden, da ein Täter nicht ermittelt werden konnte."

The letter is from 16-12-2024, the timestamp on the envelope says - it was sent on 08-01-2025 (over 3 weeks later).

Congratulation Barry Kasoff
Money rules the world!

sft234 · Post by **sft234** » Fri Jan 10, 2025 2:43 pm

alientec wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 1:34 pm Today, on 10-01-2025 I've received a letter from the prosecutor office of Cologne saying - the investigation was terminated because a perpetrator could not be identified.

original text:
"das Verfahren ist eingestellt worden, da ein Täter nicht ermittelt werden konnte."

The letter is from 16-12-2024, the timestamp on the envelope says - it was sent on 08-01-2025 (over 3 weeks later).

Congratulation Barry Kasoff
Money rules the world!

So there's no law anymore in Germany?
Never again will we contract to a German company in this case.
Germany has turned into a banana republic.

ssec · Post by **ssec** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:10 am

More evidence DR is toast:
https://community.spiceworks.com/t/vmwa ... rt/1161709

DesertNomad · Post by **DesertNomad** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:03 pm

dr01 wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 12:49 pm the Ceo is just a puppet, behind him is Siris Capital and behind them are the banks

It's easy to have substantial "Capital" if you simply steal it. We will never get paid and are working to get another MoR working on our system. There is no law and order any more.

sft234 · Post by **sft234** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 4:15 pm

DesertNomad wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 2:03 pm
dr01 wrote: Mon Jan 06, 2025 12:49 pm the Ceo is just a puppet, behind him is Siris Capital and behind them are the banks
It's easy to have substantial "Capital" if you simply steal it. We will never get paid and are working to get another MoR working on our system. There is no law and order any more.

No, that's not true - Barry Kasoff is the private OWNER of Digital River. He's not just a puppet.
This even is stated on their main site - scroll down and click on the pic of Barry Kasoff:

https://www.digitalriver.com/about-us/

Then you'll be shown this text:
"Barry Kasoff is the CEO and owner of Digital River"

And the german authorities in charge don't find a responsible?
They probably simply don't dare to take legal actions because it's an US owner...

buttermilk · Post by **buttermilk** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 5:08 pm

Guys, first of all remove all your products from theirs platform,
Then let's combine power to shut them down

quikquak · Post by **quikquak** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 7:22 pm

I’m so sorry for anybody not paid at all since July. It’s fecking terrible.

I have removed all my work from the platform, and the last person to buy was in the beginning of October. The money for the short period was too low for a pay out, apparently. So I’m leaving it like that. I won’t cancel my account, or ask any more questions. They can take any AI conversation ‘costs’ out of what’s left. I care as much as they do, now.

From our angle, DR are incompetent business children, and I don’t want any more to do with them.

sft234 · Post by **sft234** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:10 pm

As far as we're concerned we won't donate them one single cent and even force them to return all the support fees since the legal base for these was a contract which they broke themselves several times, and so the contract turns legally ineffective. If we need to go via court the court fees will be added to it.

Kasoff, you won't get away with it. Not with us. Be prepared...

quikquak · Post by **quikquak** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:16 pm

Good luck man! Crush that stone until you score blood!

alexgn · Post by **alexgn** » Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:42 pm

sft234 wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:10 pm As far as we're concerned we won't donate them one single cent and even force them to return all the support fees since the legal base for these was a contract which they broke themselves several times, and so the contract turns legally ineffective. If we need to go via court the court fees will be added to it.

Can you please elaborate a little more on your strategy here?
What the legal reason for refusing the support fees?

dfatkvr · Post by **dfatkvr** » Sun Jan 12, 2025 5:41 pm

This is clearly stealing and software piracy; it's not a contract dispute over what some word means or some calculation would be (contract says to pour 6" of concert but it was only 4"). It's clearly theft.

ASJPlugins · Post by **ASJPlugins** » Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:32 am

dfatkvr wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 5:41 pm This is clearly stealing and software piracy; it's not a contract dispute over what some word means or some calculation would be (contract says to pour 6" of concert but it was only 4"). It's clearly theft.

Yes, this is conspiracy to defraud. A small group of people in DR realised they could stop making payouts to vendors and conceal that under a smokescreen of changes to the service agreement and requesting nonsense KYC documentation. They figured they could keep that scam running for several months before the suckers (us) worked out what was going on.

sft234 · Post by **sft234** » Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:41 am

The thing is, it's not kind of a salary or credit they owe us. It's money which WE passed to them via OUR customers. So it's not money that has to be created or earned first. The money is there since they received it. If they don't pay it after taking their share this is nothing else than theft. And theft has criminal law relevance.

alexgn · Post by **alexgn** » Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:49 am

Yes,they only should take the money after taking their commission in escrow and store it secure until the payout

IaES · Post by **IaES** » Mon Jan 13, 2025 10:37 am

sft234 wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:41 am The thing is, it's not kind of a salary or credit they owe us. It's money which WE passed to them via OUR customers. So it's not money that has to be created or earned first. The money is there since they received it. If they don't pay it after taking their share this is nothing else than theft. And theft has criminal law relevance.

You're missing the point.

They are the MoR - "Merchant of record".

MoR means that we pass the customer to DR to process the payment but, because they are MoR, the customer legally becomes THEIR CUSTOMER. Not Ours. DR sell our product to THEIR customer.

Then DR need to buy the licence from us. So, in effect, we become a supplier to DR (supplier of licences) They generate those Credit Notes which says they owe us the money for the licences. But, in my case, they did not pay for the licences. But we have to accept that the police can not get involved every time one company does not pay its debts to another company. It is a civil matter.

We would have to take DR to court and get a court order. Then you can demand payment and then, if they don't pay, you can send in the debt collectors.

But it's still not a police matter.

Basically their status as MoR protects them from accusations of fraud.

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