Hi! First of all, and even if it sounds corny, I hope this year goes well for you!
I don't want to use samples; prefer to take my time making them than to spend endlessly trying out what suits them. Could you share your processes or some ideas with me, from the most basic of what vst to use to some creative process? Thank you very much!
Just in case, pd: I am not using for now hihats, I just want to keep my kicks "balds" making their transient more punchy just with a click. Thanks.
How do you make your clicks for your kicks?
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Transfigurationsofbeing Transfigurationsofbeing https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=738779
- KVRist
- 39 posts since 13 Jan, 2025
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- KVRAF
- 1755 posts since 26 Apr, 2019 from Netherlands
You might like these plugins:
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https://unitedplugins.com/Dropkick/?srs ... xH_O4zTHHt
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https://unitedplugins.com/Dropkick/?srs ... xH_O4zTHHt
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- KVRAF
- 1872 posts since 8 Jan, 2022
I use two subs in Kick 3.Transfigurationsofbeing wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:02 pm Hi! First of all, and even if it sounds corny, I hope this year goes well for you!
I don't want to use samples; prefer to take my time making them than to spend endlessly trying out what suits them. Could you share your processes or some ideas with me, from the most basic of what vst to use to some creative process? Thank you very much!
Just in case, pd: I am not using for now hihats, I just want to keep my kicks "balds" making their transient more punchy just with a click. Thanks.
One for the body and one with a very fast envelope from a high pitch downwards as the click and a very fast envelope for the amplitude.
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- KVRian
- 1185 posts since 27 Apr, 2016
Just in case you forgot, if your sine wave synth starts 12-15k it will be more clicky anyway, compared to starting lower down.
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- KVRAF
- 2719 posts since 2 Jul, 2010
The ideal "click" is a dirac delta function: an infinitely short spike with finite area. In DSP it is naturally approximated with a one-sample spike, step function, or fancy bandlimited version of the above.
How to make that with a synth? Use a square wave oscillator pitched very low with a very short AD envelope. Very handy for pinging filters if a synth lets you modulate osc volume pre-filter.
How to get that with some sub? Use a low sine oscillator with longer amp release and fix a non-zero start phase, so it begins with a sharp step to the waveform.
But that's not how most drum synths do it? Right. The frequency spectrum of our dirac delta is "all frequencies equally loud". So to get quite a short sound with all frequencies we can take an oscillator and quickly sweep through them. High to low is preferred because it ends in the right place. That classic "fast pitch bend sine osc" kick start is equivalent to our delta function running through an allpass filter. When we play with the decay curve, this is effectively changing the phase shift and frequency balance.
How to make that with a synth? Use a square wave oscillator pitched very low with a very short AD envelope. Very handy for pinging filters if a synth lets you modulate osc volume pre-filter.
How to get that with some sub? Use a low sine oscillator with longer amp release and fix a non-zero start phase, so it begins with a sharp step to the waveform.
But that's not how most drum synths do it? Right. The frequency spectrum of our dirac delta is "all frequencies equally loud". So to get quite a short sound with all frequencies we can take an oscillator and quickly sweep through them. High to low is preferred because it ends in the right place. That classic "fast pitch bend sine osc" kick start is equivalent to our delta function running through an allpass filter. When we play with the decay curve, this is effectively changing the phase shift and frequency balance.
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- KVRAF
- 14081 posts since 20 Nov, 2003 from Lost and Spaced
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- KVRian
- 1045 posts since 21 Sep, 2009
I usually layer samples, but I've also used this plugin with great results:
https://unitedplugins.com/Nanopulse/
https://unitedplugins.com/Nanopulse/
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- KVRAF
- 3639 posts since 21 Nov, 2015
Chop Suey was an eye opener for me.
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- KVRian
- 1185 posts since 27 Apr, 2016
Much of the time I never bothered as if you do not get them just right level wise they can be ear fatiguing, so listen out for that.
Too much punch is merely hardness.
Too much punch is merely hardness.
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Touch The Universe Touch The Universe https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=190615 - KVRAF
- 5767 posts since 2 Oct, 2008
video or demonstration please.imrae wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:50 pm The ideal "click" is a dirac delta function: an infinitely short spike with finite area. In DSP it is naturally approximated with a one-sample spike, step function, or fancy bandlimited version of the above.
How to make that with a synth? Use a square wave oscillator pitched very low with a very short AD envelope. Very handy for pinging filters if a synth lets you modulate osc volume pre-filter.
How to get that with some sub? Use a low sine oscillator with longer amp release and fix a non-zero start phase, so it begins with a sharp step to the waveform.
But that's not how most drum synths do it? Right. The frequency spectrum of our dirac delta is "all frequencies equally loud". So to get quite a short sound with all frequencies we can take an oscillator and quickly sweep through them. High to low is preferred because it ends in the right place. That classic "fast pitch bend sine osc" kick start is equivalent to our delta function running through an allpass filter. When we play with the decay curve, this is effectively changing the phase shift and frequency balance.
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- KVRist
- 472 posts since 26 Jun, 2024
Probably the quickest and easiest way these days.
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- KVRian
- 515 posts since 12 May, 2023
Slap. It can layer or replace the transient and has a bunch of other modules for drum shaping,makes the whole process very easy. It’s nice to use on other parts besides the drums as well to add some extra texture and attack
https://www.yum-audio.com/Slap-by-MrBill
https://www.yum-audio.com/Slap-by-MrBill
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- KVRAF
- 1763 posts since 1 Aug, 2006 from Italy
A few days ago I saw a video by D. Ramirez controlling saturation/distortion with envelopes / envelopes followers and some examples involved kick drums.
I didn’t try it yet, but I think it’s an interesting idea.
When it comes to synthesize kicks (although this doesn’t really fit the “effects” forum… anyway), it could be useful to look at the architecture of some drum synths: some add a short noise, others add a short pulse/click, others allow for a mixture of the two (for example the Jomox Mbase 11 - I was going through the manual and various videos in the past few days while looking for a possible future purchase). On the DFAM for example, sometimes I patch the gate/trigger out as an audio signal, in order to get a strong initial click (I should spend way more time with that synth, by the way).
In software, you could generate a click with a synth with envelopes “suffering” of clicking by setting a a very short attack and decay (you don’t even nees oscillators, just something clicking, like TAL Bassiline), then layer to taste.
If you want to keep it within the effects realm, you could try using a gate (maybe midi controllable? like Cubase’s midigate or something like Volumeshaper to cut a short trigger out of an exising track.
Just some ideas, of course.
I didn’t try it yet, but I think it’s an interesting idea.
When it comes to synthesize kicks (although this doesn’t really fit the “effects” forum… anyway), it could be useful to look at the architecture of some drum synths: some add a short noise, others add a short pulse/click, others allow for a mixture of the two (for example the Jomox Mbase 11 - I was going through the manual and various videos in the past few days while looking for a possible future purchase). On the DFAM for example, sometimes I patch the gate/trigger out as an audio signal, in order to get a strong initial click (I should spend way more time with that synth, by the way).
In software, you could generate a click with a synth with envelopes “suffering” of clicking by setting a a very short attack and decay (you don’t even nees oscillators, just something clicking, like TAL Bassiline), then layer to taste.
If you want to keep it within the effects realm, you could try using a gate (maybe midi controllable? like Cubase’s midigate or something like Volumeshaper to cut a short trigger out of an exising track.
Just some ideas, of course.