Best reverbs !?

[Gam456]

There seems to be some debate about this; Michael Carnes said the 224 algorithms were lost long ago when they got rid of the old computers it was on (!). The UAD 224 sounds great though, whatever its provenance.

Relab claims the LX480 is sample-accurate to the hardware, and it also includes the improved "RHall HD", which is what I use most of the time. I'm not sure how much better the reverb is on the UAD but if it has the effects, that's something we don't have with the Relab. I wonder why UAD is taking so long making the native version available. Maybe for Signature bundle 3?

True but it doesn't mean they can't extract code from an actual hardware.

For Relab. Honestly the sound matter more than anything else.

UAD the issue is may be the competion with Relab

[Sound_Bear]

A while back I asked about 32-bit compatible spring reverb plugins in this thread and tbh was surprised when someone recommended Twangström. I have to fully agree with what jens has been saying here on the last two pages. His profile is now listed as "suspended"; I hope that doesn't have anything to do with his criticism here because he's simply right.

To be fair though, TS isn't the only spring emulation that doesn't deliver what it advertises. Eventide's would be another that I found disappointingly artificial. Softube's Spring Reverb is ok for "twang" but comes with too much low mid rumble to be broadly usable.

Arturia's is pretty good, and Primavera has all the twang I expect from "the" clichéd spring reverb sound, including interaction with input amplitude. Nothing I know so far compares to it in that respect. And for more plate-sounding spring emulations, TENS and TENS jr are amazing.

Edit: and to be fair to u-he, Protoverb is one of the coolest reverb plugins ever - I have yet to get more of a feeling for how to program it, but the sheer sound is awesome and I've had lots of lucky accidents with it.

[jamcat]

In Eventide's defense, it sounds like a "spring" algorithm from an '80s/'90s digital reverb rack effect unit. Which is pretty much what it is. Just like the "plate" algorithm from those units don't actually sound like real plates either. It's sort of its own sound that has some spring-like characteristics. So if you're looking for that kind of digital reverb effect, that's what Eventide Spring is good for.

[Alexander_D]

A while back I asked about 32-bit compatible spring reverb plugins in this thread and tbh was surprised when someone recommended Twangström. I have to fully agree with what jens has been saying here on the last two pages. His profile is now listed as "suspended"; I hope that doesn't have anything to do with his criticism here because he's simply right.

To be fair though, TS isn't the only spring emulation that doesn't deliver what it advertises. Eventide's would be another that I found disappointingly artificial. Softube's Spring Reverb is ok for "twang" but comes with too much low mid rumble to be broadly usable.

Arturia's is pretty good, and Primavera has all the twang I expect from "the" clichéd spring reverb sound, including interaction with input amplitude. Nothing I know so far compares to it in that respect. And for more plate-sounding spring emulations, TENS and TENS jr are amazing.

Edit: and to be fair to u-he, Protoverb is one of the coolest reverb plugins ever - I have yet to get more of a feeling for how to program it, but the sheer sound is awesome and I've had lots of lucky accidents with it.

Thanks for reminding! I need to check TENS for sure. Seems that Klanghelm is nice. BTW does they support Apple Silicon?
Regarding U-HE. I simply love their stuff! So musical and fat! I think that their Fxs are underrated.. Presswerk is amazing compressor for example... Need to check protoverb. And it's free...

[mholloway]

Edit: and to be fair to u-he, Protoverb is one of the coolest reverb plugins ever - I have yet to get more of a feeling for how to program it...

??? Last I checked, Protoverb is not programmable. It has a decay control, and some randomization buttons.... that's it.

[Echoes in the Attic]

I like this one a lot, but for traditional and out there mutated/impossible models of spring reverb:

https://aegeanmusic.com/spirit-reverb

Not sure if they are keeping up with modern formats though. Dont 'think it's VST3 and not sure about Apple Silicone.

[misha_sa]

you defiantly should check this one


it's free

[gentleclockdivider]

u-he's hardware 'emulations' are soundgoodized. That is done on purpose, because he wants to sell.

You must be kidding

[Sound_Bear]

How do Fuse Audio Labs' plate and spring plugins sound? How good are they compared to great ones like Soundtoys Little Plate, Primavera, Klanghelm TENS or known EMT 140 simulations (or compared to plugins that have been discussed critically, such as Twangström and Eventide Spring)?

They're having a generous sale that ends tomorrow and I may not have time to run trials before that. I read somewhere that the developer also had part in brainworx plugins, but I've never bought any Plugin Aliance stuff so can't judge what that means in terms of quality.

[jamcat]

How do Fuse Audio Labs' plate and spring plugins sound? How good are they compared to great ones like Soundtoys Little Plate, Primavera, Klanghelm TENS or known EMT 140 simulations (or compared to plugins that have been discussed critically, such as Twangström and Eventide Spring)?

Fuse Audio Labs are pretty good. I would put them in the same class as the ones you mentioned (except for Primavera which I rate a cut above all else.) I would also include UAD Pure Plate and Arturia Rev PLATE-140 (but not Rev SPRING-636, which I’m not too impressed with.)

The thing about all of these plate and spring reverbs is they each have a very particular unique sound all their own, and any of them could be the perfect reverb for one part in one song, or it could sound like garbage. And which one is the one that works will vary from song to song, while the one that worked last time will be trash next time.

The one exception here is one not mentioned: UVI Plate, which like Primavera, is a pure physical model. UVI Plate is so versatile that you should always be able to dial in something that sounds good on any source material. But finding the right sound with it may take you longer than finding the right plate reverb amongst the aforementioned list of plugins.

[Sound_Bear]

Edit: and to be fair to u-he, Protoverb is one of the coolest reverb plugins ever - I have yet to get more of a feeling for how to program it...

??? Last I checked, Protoverb is not programmable. It has a decay control, and some randomization buttons.... that's it.

No. You can edit the results of both pseudorandom number generators manually, character by character. Personally I haven't detected predictable structures when doing so. Some people claim they did. But even if that were an illusion, you do get to switch back and forth between all of the results you can get, so once you have rolled the dice, the controls are more like a (2 x 7)-dimensional game of Concentration rather than just successive dice throws. (Someone with more math knowledge than me feel free to correct me or elaborate.)

[Sound_Bear]

Fuse Audio Labs are pretty good. I would put them in the same class as the ones you mentioned (except for Primavera which I rate a cut above all else.) I would also include UAD Pure Plate and Arturia Rev PLATE-140 (but not Rev SPRING-636, which I’m not too impressed with.)

The thing about all of these plate and spring reverbs is they each have a very particular unique sound all their own, and any of them could be the perfect reverb for one part in one song, or it could sound like garbage. And which one is the one that works will vary from song to song, while the one that worked last time will be trash next time.

The one exception here is one not mentioned: UVI Plate, which like Primavera, is a pure physical model. UVI Plate is so versatile that you should always be able to dial in something that sounds good on any source material. But finding the right sound with it may take you longer than finding the right plate reverb amongst the aforementioned list of plugins.

So I bought Fuse VREV-140, VREV-305 and VREV-63 and also got the free VREV-666. The first three sound good, but surprisingly I like the 140 the least. Its trail has a quite distinct order of events that repeats exactly the same each time. I don't know if a physical plate reverb can behave like this, too, or if they will have slight variations; in any case, this one sounds a bit too lifeless for me. 305 and 63 also don't show any hit-to-hit variation but don't have that distinct sequence and generally sound more realistic and lively to me. Ironically the 63 which is meant to sound crappy is the only one with obvious continuous modulation.

Still liking Little Plate (with or without the modulation switch) and Primavera the most. *If* technically they are static, too, my ear doesn't perceive it as such.

[martiu]

I decided to return to my lo-fi ambient work and i needed colored but still good quality reverb (also delay), my favorite reverb Blackhole is not very good for the particular sound i am looking, kind of noisy, saturated lo-fi vhs sound
so i decided to experiment with Surreal Machines Diffuse because it is a delay and reverb hybrid emulating early units from the 80s, it felt right at home with Phonec 2 and SketchCassette tape emulator, i am pumping the feedback real high so the chords can flow into each other and i have to say for the price it is amazing unit, it can be clean and smooth or act like vintage echo and colored, it is a workhorse right now for me and this is kind of surprising because there is not a lot of talk for Surreal Machines in this forum but they are high quality and not very expensive, Diffuse is 49 bucks
ok time for sleepy

[audiouser720]

I decided to return to my lo-fi ambient work and i needed colored but still good quality reverb (also delay), my favorite reverb Blackhole is not very good for the particular sound i am looking, kind of noisy, saturated lo-fi vhs sound
so i decided to experiment with Surreal Machines Diffuse because it is a delay and reverb hybrid emulating early units from the 80s, it felt right at home with Phonec 2 and SketchCassette tape emulator, i am pumping the feedback real high so the chords can flow into each other and i have to say for the price it is amazing unit, it can be clean and smooth or act like vintage echo and colored, it is a workhorse right now for me and this is kind of surprising because there is not a lot of talk for Surreal Machines in this forum but they are high quality and not very expensive, Diffuse is 49 bucks
ok time for sleepy

It’s on sale atm for 20 quid yay

[Sound_Bear]

I decided to return to my lo-fi ambient work and i needed colored but still good quality reverb (also delay), my favorite reverb Blackhole is not very good for the particular sound i am looking, kind of noisy, saturated lo-fi vhs sound
so i decided to experiment with Surreal Machines Diffuse because it is a delay and reverb hybrid emulating early units from the 80s, it felt right at home with Phonec 2 and SketchCassette tape emulator, i am pumping the feedback real high so the chords can flow into each other and i have to say for the price it is amazing unit, it can be clean and smooth or act like vintage echo and colored, it is a workhorse right now for me and this is kind of surprising because there is not a lot of talk for Surreal Machines in this forum but they are high quality and not very expensive, Diffuse is 49 bucks
ok time for sleepy

Surreal Machines are great. Modnetic is as good for 70s sound as Diffuse is for 80s sound. It includes a nice gritty echo, lots of reverb styles (which I seem to recall are IR-based) and more with flexible routing. Unfortunately when I use it in Audacity selecting certain reverbs can lead to crashes, but even if you avoid those, it's one of the most powerful delay/ reverb combo plugins, in a different way from Diffuse.