87% of songs on streaming services don't qualify for royalties

[bermudagold]

cause they don't meet minimum streams per month thresholds...this jumps to 95% when talking spotify alone

https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/ ... lays-each/

[BertKoor]

So tons of music is produced which no one listens to.
1. That seems a lot of waste
2. Tell me something new
3. It's the same on Netflix, which is a bigger waste because production costs for video is bigger than audio

[osiris]

True. One song I have have had 165 plays and got @40 cents. Another with 145 plays got a whole 5 cents.

[RunBeerRun]

My videos on youtube channel runbeerrun5 get about 2-5 views each and I profit $75,000 a month roughly. I'm not a human, I'm just a machine like you.

[Bunny_boy]

My videos on youtube channel runbeerrun5 get about 2-5 views each and I profit $75,000 a month roughly. I'm not a human, I'm just a machine like you.

Buy me a Pacarama?

[Bunny_boy]

93 million songs got played fewer than 11 times each!
In one sense those 10 or fewer plays wouldn't result in a meaningful amount of money. In another sense, the pitiful amount generated for one play is the reason. No point in paying someone if the amount is miniscule.

The article mentions AI slop being uploaded to services. It's basically audio shovelware, isn't it?

[osiris]

Go Google the new Deezer royalty payout scheme.

[Bunny_boy]

Go Google the new Deezer royalty payout scheme.

£6,400 for 1,000,000 streams? I think I've got my calculations correct.

You would become a millionaire at 156,000,000 streams.

So Taylor Swift had 26bn streams on Spotify last year, which, if this was Deezer, would mean £170m.
How much do the CEOs get?

[mjolnir]

there's a youtube vlog (i forget who authored it) which explains how streaming audio is usually a rip-off and is no way to make money and is actually a complex financial bubble that can't last.

[bermudagold]

So tons of music is produced which no one listens to.
1. That seems a lot of waste
2. Tell me something new
3. It's the same on Netflix, which is a bigger waste because production costs for video is bigger than audio

music went from an access to distribution problem for creators, ...to an access to trusted/valuable curation problem for consumers...solving the first problem created the second problem as democratizing the production process raised the noise floor...with 60k songs uploaded per day to spotify, how are you going to cut through the noise?...and with so much supply, how will you create demand?...with no demand to leverage, how will you charge a revenue creating price?...without revenue how will you maintain availability of specialized skilled labor?

so what is needed is more and better mechanisms of curation...how do we really know people don't want to listen to that music?...who is allowed to listen to what is being controlled by heuristics in software, ...probably poorly conceived by people who are not SMEs in music...the consumer's agency and self determination is being replaced by the algorithm...a massive concentration of power and control...this is a disturbing trend for humanity...music is a relatively benign example

[slackhead]

there's a youtube vlog (i forget who authored it) which explains how streaming audio is usually a rip-off and is no way to make money and is actually a complex financial bubble that can't last.

Benn Jordan perhaps?

[mjolnir]

there's a youtube vlog (i forget who authored it) which explains how streaming audio is usually a rip-off and is no way to make money and is actually a complex financial bubble that can't last.

Benn Jordan perhaps?

yes!!!

[osiris]

I would not ignore Spotify. They and Pandora have paid me the most with Pandora at the top of that chain.

[Largos]

So tons of music is produced which no one listens to.
1. That seems a lot of waste
2. Tell me something new
3. It's the same on Netflix, which is a bigger waste because production costs for video is bigger than audio

music went from an access to distribution problem for creators, ...to an access to trusted/valuable curation problem for consumers...solving the first problem created the second problem as democratizing the production process raised the noise floor...with 60k songs uploaded per day to spotify, how are you going to cut through the noise?...and with so much supply, how will you create demand?...with no demand to leverage, how will you charge a revenue creating price?...without revenue how will you maintain availability of specialized skilled labor?

so what is needed is more and better mechanisms of curation...how do we really know people don't want to listen to that music?...who is allowed to listen to what is being controlled by heuristics in software, ...probably poorly conceived by people who are not SMEs in music...the consumer's agency and self determination is being replaced by the algorithm...a massive concentration of power and control...this is a disturbing trend for humanity...music is a relatively benign example

It's never been a better time to be a music consumer, you can find music from all over the world, most of it doesn't cost anything to listen too. There's no paid shills at music magazines "curating". I think people have a short memory, they weren't curating, they were gate keeping. Finding new music is WAY better than it was and all these thousands of songs per day that go uncared about wouldn't have even got recorded back in the day or they would have just stayed as local bands that can only got their friends and family to come to their gigs.

People sign up for these distrokids and what not when they shouldn't, that's why they don't get paid. Nobody is taking from them, they are mugging themselves. It's this were the curation should be involved to stop participating in nonsense schemes.

[dexrow]

cause they don't meet minimum streams per month thresholds...this jumps to 95% when talking spotify alone

https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/ ... lays-each/

The distribution services get some amount of that when you stop paying so there is some chance about legal fighting at the lower levels. They services can also say that requiring a certain amount of plays may limit competition. We will see.. It takes some effort to get the search engine and when you do it can be hard to control where the traffic goes.