Korg multi/poly native - reimagined Mono/Poly Synthesizer plugin

[zvenx]

I believe there are two teams who have done these 37 keys synths (and their similar software and expanded keyboards).
Opsix is done by the team in Japan I believe and the rest (modwave, wavestate and the multi poly) are done by Dan's team in the USA.


rsp

[D-Fusion]

Opsix Native (and all the new Korg digital synthsÍ) sounds exactly the same, it is exactly the same code running.
I own the Modwave Native and Modwave mk2... my presets sound exactly the same in A/B comparison, so should work with Opsix (though have not tried it.)

I think it is just a matter of taste, I really like the GUI of Multi/Poly Native

They won't sound identical if you use analog outs on hardware

They will sound the same.
I compared my Roland System-1 with the HW and the only difference was the volume and when they where matched they sounded identical.

Modern soundcard doesn't Color the sound like it did in the past when the Quality was all over the place and a good sound card should have a neutral sound.

Using analog outs into a modern sound card doesn't give you some magical analog fairy tale sound from the HW.

[zvenx]

Did they null?
Whilst indeed sound cards have come a long way, I don't think they have a neutral sound until you go up into the higher price range and even those (I am thinking Lynx Hilo two channel for $3,000 for example), impact some changes in sound I believe even if indistinguishable to most human ears..

Once AD/DA conversion occurs, there will in some way be an impact on the sound, negligible to the human ear in many cases, but still a change.

But no i don't think they were saying analog outputs give some magical analog fairy tale sound, just a slight difference.

rsp

[D-Fusion]

Did they null?
Whilst indeed sound cards have come a long way, I don't think they have a neutral sound until you go up into the higher price range and even those (I am thinking Lynx Hilo two channel for $3,000 for example), and even then..
Once AD/DA conversion occurs, they will in some way impact on the sound, negligible to the human ear in many cases.

But no i don't think they were saying analog outputs give some magical analog fairy tale sound, just a slight difference.

rsp

Yes there might be a tiny difference but you really have to focus hard to find it and it also matters how hard you drive the inputs on your sound card.

I did never null test the system 1 since they sounded the same to me when i compared them at the time.

I don't have the HW anymore since i replaced it with the SW.

The SW and HW Korgs are the same synth so there shouldn't be any noticeable difference in sound between them

[zvenx]

And once you added noticeable, I agree with you..
But yeah since they are both digital using afaik the same code, they should sound identical (minus the mostly negligible difference due to the different DAs on the hardware vs the person's Sound card).

rsp

[D-Fusion]

And once you added noticeable, I agree with you..
But yeah since they are both digital using afaik the same code, they should sound identical (minus the mostly negligible difference due to the different DAs on the hardware vs the person's Sound card).

rsp

I agree
The Analog Fairy sound comment I made was just a weird sarcastic word salad phrase I came up with to explain my view on that the sound difference might not be as big.

English is not my native language so sometimes I make some weird remarks here and there that are not to be taken to seriously

[zvenx]

lol.
All is well. But yeah I understood what you meant by the magic fairy tale sound (which is often associated with hardware analog gear, whether true or not in 2025)
rsp

[kritikon]

OpSix has spiking issues on the 1st Gen i7 920's too. The Triton’s output converter modelling also doesn’t work on the 920. Probably because it’s using AVX instructions, or something which doesn’t jive with it. It hangs the machine for several minutes if you try to use the feature. Once a very popular CPU, it’s 17 years old this year, and the fact it otherwise runs ok is still something I suppose..

All the long way of saying (unfortunately) the only practical and realistic “fix” is to get a newer, more popular, CPU if it’s still broken and you actually wanted to use it. Whilst running badly, on the old 920, OpSix runs really well on Apple Silicon FWIW

Not anywhere near my laptop at the moment but I vaguely recall it's an i7 8550? Not that many years old, only bought it in 2022. But obvs one of the many CPUs Korg Japan can't seem to code for. TBH I'll also be surprised if they've actually fixed it. I shouldn't hold my breath...

[kritikon]

Yes there might be a tiny difference but you really have to focus hard to find it and it also matters how hard you drive the inputs on your sound card.

I did never null test the system 1 since they sounded the same to me when i compared them at the time.

I don't have the HW anymore since i replaced it with the SW.

The SW and HW Korgs are the same synth so there shouldn't be any noticeable difference in sound between them

Correct. I have both Opsix and Wavestate hw and both native plugins and they sound identical to me. No difference at all. Only difference is Opsix Native damn near crashes my system before I can get any useful sound out of it .

[frag]

Did they null?
Whilst indeed sound cards have come a long way, I don't think they have a neutral sound until you go up into the higher price range and even those (I am thinking Lynx Hilo two channel for $3,000 for example), and even then..
Once AD/DA conversion occurs, they will in some way impact on the sound, negligible to the human ear in many cases.

But no i don't think they were saying analog outputs give some magical analog fairy tale sound, just a slight difference.

rsp

Yes there might be a tiny difference but you really have to focus hard to find it and it also matters how hard you drive the inputs on your sound card.

I did never null test the system 1 since they sounded the same to me when i compared them at the time.

I don't have the HW anymore since i replaced it with the SW.

The SW and HW Korgs are the same synth so there shouldn't be any noticeable difference in sound between them

It depends what we mean by "tiny" difference.
Statistically/electrically it is "tiny", but aesthetically, it can change the overall character of the sound perhaps by introducing new harmonics/freqs which trigger different emotions.
It's complicated

I just remember I really liked Youtube videos of HW Opsix, but the plugin was flat, boring, uninteresting. This is NOT the case with Triton VST, it sounds clear, attractive, with lots of low end.

I just hope M/P VST will not suck

[IvyBirds]

OpSix has spiking issues on the 1st Gen i7 920's too. The Triton’s output converter modelling also doesn’t work on the 920. Probably because it’s using AVX instructions, or something which doesn’t jive with it. It hangs the machine for several minutes if you try to use the feature. Once a very popular CPU, it’s 17 years old this year, and the fact it otherwise runs ok is still something I suppose..

It's 2025 anyone using a CPU from 2008 should absolutely expect performance issues, not sure how anyone would expect Korg or anyone else to spend any resources at all trying to fix performance issues on ancient PCs

[Examigan]

Yeah, 2008? My kid was 4 then and she’s in college now. It’s a big jump in time and tech moves quickly.

[frag]

Too bad brains are moving backwards

[PAK]

It's 2025 anyone using a CPU from 2008 should absolutely expect performance issues, not sure how anyone would expect Korg or anyone else to spend any resources at all trying to fix performance issues on ancient PCs

Then allow me to assist. It’s called the minimum system requirements. Almost every plugin states these on their respective websites. In the case of OpSix the requirements are listed as an i5 or i7 CPU on Windows 10. If a company is only prepared to support CPU’s, from specific generations, those limitations should be clearly stated in their list of supported system requirements.

Your comment is unhelpful. Both because there is a long existing solution to your “post”, and because it distracts from the fact that the idle spiking behaviour, being discussed, appears to be present from Gen 1 through at least 8th gen Intel. Intel 8th Gen is a hardware config likely to remain supported, by Microsoft Windows, until at least 2030.

Personally I'm not impacted by the issue btw. But companies should fix the problems for configurations they claim to support.

[PAK]

Not anywhere near my laptop at the moment but I vaguely recall it's an i7 8550? Not that many years old, only bought it in 2022.

It's not. And, as mentioned, since it supports TPM2, it should be supported by Microsoft Windows until at least 2030.

But obvs one of the many CPUs Korg Japan can't seem to code for. TBH I'll also be surprised if they've actually fixed it. I shouldn't hold my breath...

Well, do report back. I don't expect so either, but it'd be nice to be wrong about it.

I reckon the newer CPU's, with their multiple core types, plus Windows 11 changes, have complicated things greatly. I do wonder if, lately, it means companies are less likely to want to touch complex thread handling code once they have it working well on newer configs