Bass Studio - New DAW

[VOODOO U]

All the controls you need are available on the track lanes; the mixer view exists just to shut grandpa up.

Yeah the mixer view is a bit redundant. It's traditional and probably why most DAWs have it as a separate view but I think it's a waste to bother with it. Sure it may be slightly tidier and thus a bit more convenient for, well.... for mixing but I've done just fine using the track arrangement setup.
I suppose Abelton has the right idea with the session view I just don't like having to use the mouse to elongate the channels.
Anyhow, yeah....mixer views for traditionalists. Nothing important.

[pough]

Is this really neccessary, both of you? Exaggerated positions are gonna lead to a heated discussions that almost invariably drag the thread down with them - not very nice.

Well, I'm not likely to get heated. BONES seems to be pre-heated, but what would KvR be without him swearing at someone for wanting something he deems unnecessary?

Some people feel they need a hardware-style mixer; some people feel they need a sequencer in a drum plugin.

Anyways, bass seems interesting but it doesn't run on my system. I'm guessing it's because of my sad old i3 CPU.

[jens]

what would KvR be without him swearing at someone for wanting something he deems unnecessary?

Did you not basically just do the same by insulting everyone who might dare to wish using a conventional mixing layout in a DAW? (yeah, I know it was humour but it was an insult either way - and clearly meant as such)

[mhept]

This doesn't seem to have a mixer. I've looked at all the screenshots and videos I could find but there's nothing. How can a DAW not have a mixer?

The Mixer has been integrated in version 0.6.7.0
https://bass-studio.com/

[Starbright]

Hi mhept, just tried it out yesterday and I realy love the design. Stabillity also seems great. My only issue is that I couldn't get any synths running or load their screens up.
So I wanted to ask if it is possible to do a video tutorial explaining what is what and how to do certain stuff.

As for a wishlist of things that would be great features (I have no means to cause trouble, they are just nice-to-haves:

1. an enhance button that creates harmonic distortion/saturation simmilar like a tape
2. automatic limiting (it's a feature I've been craving for ages)
3. Quantizing Sample Peaks
4. an arrangelane/track regions lane like in reaper or logic
5. a seperate note pad for taking notes or writing lyrics
6. dedicated option to create a bus or folder

I know it's a lot, but these would be my nice-to-haves.
I'd also would love offer my help by providing midi drum beats if you like and chord progressions.

Keep it up, I think you're doing a great job

[BONES]

No, it doesn't have a mixer right now. The product is at a rather early stage though, so it might get one at a later point. No, a mixer is not absolutely required, since - as pough correctly pointed out - if absolutely neccessary one can mix a whole song just using the track-controls.

Every studio on the planet has a mixing console as the centrepiece of its workflow. Why would anyone want to f**k with that? It is the no. 1 most important tool in music production, not something you get around to adding when you feel like.

Yeah the mixer view is a bit redundant.

No it's f**king not and to replace it you need to add several disparate elements that make the workflow more complex and less transparent for no benefit. The mixer is where you do the bulk of your production work. If it's not, you're doing it wrong.

It's traditional and probably why most DAWs have it as a separate view but I think it's a waste to bother with it.

Really? Where do you add effects? Where do you get an overview of your project so you can see how things are interacting? It is the one place where all the bits and pieces come together, where you can get that perfect overview of what's going on.

Anyhow, yeah....mixer views for traditionalists. Nothing important.

Unless you want to actually get shit done, rather that just f**k-arsing about.

[MJACau]

The start up is lighting fast.

[VOODOO U]

Yeah the mixer view is a bit redundant.

The mixer is where you do the bulk of your production work.

No it's not. The Arrangement view is where I do the bulk, if not all, of my production work.

If it's not, you're doing it wrong.

You think i give a f**k who thinks I'm doing right or wrong when I manage to make music that I absolutely love?

Where do you add effects?

I click the button that says FX. See how hard and strenuous that is?

Where do you get an overview of your project so you can see how things are interacting?

I use these tools called ears that let me *hear* how things are interacting but if we want to go with vision, once again, the arrangement view.

It is the one place where all the bits and pieces come together,

What bits and pieces?

where you can get that perfect overview of what's going on.

Arrangement view

]Anyhow, yeah....mixer views for traditionalists. Nothing important.

Unless you want to actually get shit done, rather that just f**k-arsing about.

You're the one f**k arsing about with whatever shit software you use if you don't have all mixer channel features available on a loaded track within the arrangement view. Just a bunch of silly geek wankery if you need a f**king "mixer view". What the f**k is *that* gonna do for your song?

[BONES]

No it's not. The Arrangement view is where I do the bulk, if not all, of my production work.

Really? Arrangement takes me maybe half-an-hour. It's a piece of cake, probably less than 5% of the effort required to finish a song.

I click the button that says FX. See how hard and strenuous that is?

And it knows which channel to place it in? Whether it's to be a send or an insert? Pre- or post-fader?

I use these tools called ears that let me *hear* how things are interacting but if we want to go with vision, once again, the arrangement view.

Obviously they don't work very well, given your seeming lack of output. Maybe you need to find a better of working?

What bits and pieces?

Instruments and effects. You know, those pesky bits and pieces we mostly have installed on our machines in their hundreds.

Arrangement view

How does that display what effects you are using where? Or the stereo balance for each channel? Where do you see and adjust the overall level of your project? You probably have an Inspector panel open and maybe a rack as well but if you use the mixer instead, that's two panels you can close and never have to open again.

You're the one f**k arsing about with whatever shit software you use if you don't have all mixer channel features available on a loaded track within the arrangement view.

None of them do, as far as I'm aware. It is simply not an effective way of showing that stuff. The arrangement view is good for seeing where you are up to in a song but, once you've got your arrangement done, it's not much use beyond that. It takes up way too much space for far too little purpose.

Check this out -

S1_MACHINE.jpg

I can see and adjust every effect I'm using in the project and there is plenty of space to open instrument GUIs without them blocking my view of other parts of the main GUI. I am not constantly opening and closing windows or moving things out of the way. Almost everything I need to interact with is available all the time. Better still, there are no extraneous windows or panels lying around waiting for when I might need them. Every little bit of space is working for me, all the time. It's f**king awesome! Anything that can't work within this paradigm is useless to me and may as well not even be there in the application.

Workflow is everything, it is a hundred times more important than features when it comes to getting things done.

[twal]

In Reaper, the tracks are themselves the same things as the "channels" in the mixer; so technically, you can mix the whole song just using the tracks themselves. For a quick mixdown, it's fine. But, for a more serious mixdown it's much easier using bigger faders...

Seems like Voodoo U is talking about Reaper mentioning FX button.

In reaper you get all of the same options in the tracks as the mixer channels because they are the same thing like I mentioned before.

[BazJacuzzi]

Bones ruining another KVR thread.

[mhept]

No it's not. The Arrangement view is where I do the bulk, if not all, of my production work.

Really? Arrangement takes me maybe half-an-hour. It's a piece of cake, probably less than 5% of the effort required to finish a song.

I click the button that says FX. See how hard and strenuous that is?

And it knows which channel to place it in? Whether it's to be a send or an insert? Pre- or post-fader?

I use these tools called ears that let me *hear* how things are interacting but if we want to go with vision, once again, the arrangement view.

Obviously they don't work very well, given your seeming lack of output. Maybe you need to find a better of working?

What bits and pieces?

Instruments and effects. You know, those pesky bits and pieces we mostly have installed on our machines in their hundreds.

Arrangement view

How does that display what effects you are using where? Or the stereo balance for each channel? Where do you see and adjust the overall level of your project? You probably have an Inspector panel open and maybe a rack as well but if you use the mixer instead, that's two panels you can close and never have to open again.

You're the one f**k arsing about with whatever shit software you use if you don't have all mixer channel features available on a loaded track within the arrangement view.

None of them do, as far as I'm aware. It is simply not an effective way of showing that stuff. The arrangement view is good for seeing where you are up to in a song but, once you've got your arrangement done, it's not much use beyond that. It takes up way too much space for far too little purpose.

Check this out -

S1_MACHINE.jpg


I can see and adjust every effect I'm using in the project and there is plenty of space to open instrument GUIs without them blocking my view of other parts of the main GUI. I am not constantly opening and closing windows or moving things out of the way. Almost everything I need to interact with is available all the time. Better still, there are no extraneous windows or panels lying around waiting for when I might need them. Every little bit of space is working for me, all the time. It's f**king awesome! Anything that can't work within this paradigm is useless to me and may as well not even be there in the application.

Workflow is everything, it is a hundred times more important than features when it comes to getting things done.

Integrated plugin windows are not an option right now.
I looked into it and decided against it.

[VOODOO U]

Really? Arrangement takes me maybe half-an-hour. It's a piece of cake, probably less than 5% of the effort required to finish a song.

Arrangement *view* is where I do the bulk of my production work. Writing, arranging, mixkng, etc.

And it knows which channel to place it in?
Whether it's to be a send or an insert? Pre- or post-fader?

No it doesn't *know* which channel to place it in other than the standard default of being an insert. Reaper isn't A.I. but neither is any other DAW. I have to assign any pre/post sends and yes it can be done with tracks in the arrangement view.

Obviously they don't work very well, given your seeming lack of output. Maybe you need to find a better of working?

Again, any opinions on my music takes no priority over me liking them. *I* come first. After *i* like it, I give it to the vocalists and they can have their way with the songs. After that, well....nothing else really matters now does it?
Sure I can put it out there and give it some push - which I do - but I'm happy blasting the tunes in my car. If others do the same, high five, happy to give back. I've had people i never met email me telling me my music makes them happy. I've actually had someone tell me that they only listen to my stuff which is quite f**king humbling.
But that wouldn't hit me hard if I personally didn't like my stuff. And i never really did care for my output for a loooong time. Once you sincerely do, there's no need for others input even though its appreciated.
Versus you and most artists out there who are unhappy with your output and therefore need feedback. You need whatever bit of assuramce because you are dissatisfied in some way shape and form with what's been written.

How does that display what effects you are using where?

Well if by this you mean akin to any effects loaded on a channel displaying on that channel strip, with Reaper you can have fx and parameters displayed on the track. Bottom line whatever is avaialble on the mixer strip, can be displayed on the track in the arrangement view.
Are you f**king telling me yo can't do this with Cubase? Logic? Pro f**king Tools??? Studio 1?
My god all the damn money spent and you get crap. For 60 bucks, sure you may get an ugly DAW but it's quite capable.

Or the stereo balance for each channel? Where do you see and adjust the overall level of your project?

Ok this is sounding too naive now. Are you telling me you cannot see your levels and pan aettings on a loaded track with your app?? You have to switch to a mixer view???

You probably have an Inspector panel open and maybe a rack as well

No.
I don't.

It is simply not an effective way of showing that stuff.

Ok then. Enjoy flip flopping between views. I've got everything I need conveniently laid out on one view. I know i know, now you'll tell me it's rubbish it's wrong and it's not how you do it and my music sucks and yachts are great for eating tuna sandwhiches. Whatever.

The arrangement view is good for seeing where you are up to in a song but, once you've got your arrangement done, it's not much use beyond that. It takes up way too much space for far too little purpose.

Rubbish.
When I mix I jump to different song positions. I have markers setup. Many times i setup automations and the arrangement view is needed again. Switching between the mixer and arrangement was getting old fast.
But then the lightning bulb flashed and I realized i didn't have to switch views. In fact the mixer is a waste of time.

Check this out -

S1_MACHINE.jpg

If you are trying to post an image, it's not showing up. At least for me it's not.

[VOODOO U]

Ah ok i see the image now. Yeah that's a typical layout. With Reaper i don't need the.mixer view because the tracks contain all the mixer functions. I can use the extra space to elongate the arrangement view and see more tracks. But i also have a track.overview on the left which allows me.to jump to any track, hide some temporarily etc etc. It's very convenient.

[VOODOO U]

But, for a more serious mixdown it's much easier using bigger faders...

Why not setup the tracks to have bigger faders when going to the mixing stage?
You could save it as a snapahot so when it's time to mix, hit the key shortcut and voila, tracks are now set with bigger faders for mixing.
When finished hit the key shortcut for tracks to go back to recording view.