Hey folks,
I'm a big fan of Newfangled's Saturate for my master bus, but when producing, it's latency is too high (around 24ms).
Anyone have any suggestions for a similar brickwall saturator that has zero or near-zero latency?
My plan is to then swap it out for Saturate in the mastering process, so the quality can be a bit less than Saturate, no worries.
Cheers!
Good, low latency saturating brickwall for the master bus?
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- KVRAF
- 2719 posts since 2 Jul, 2010
I have some reservations about the general plan here to mix into a clipper then change the clipper. Saturate is not a normal waveshaper and will be hard to "match"! Still, looking for a low-latency soft clipper is a reasonable ask...
Perhaps El Juan with input saturation enabled?
apShaper has a low-latency mode; I think this still uses ADAA so should be cleaner than most other low-latency clippers?
If you are running at 96k there may be enough headroom to use one of the many airwindows clippers/waveshapers that doesn't oversample.
Perhaps El Juan with input saturation enabled?
apShaper has a low-latency mode; I think this still uses ADAA so should be cleaner than most other low-latency clippers?
If you are running at 96k there may be enough headroom to use one of the many airwindows clippers/waveshapers that doesn't oversample.
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- KVRAF
- 1966 posts since 22 Mar, 2002 from Timisoara, Romania
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- KVRAF
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- KVRAF
- 2065 posts since 3 May, 2014
Tracklimit has latency going from 0.2ms (aggressive mode) up to 5ms (transparent mode) on my system, 6 different modes in total in that range
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- KVRAF
- 7034 posts since 28 Apr, 2004 from france
ToneBooster Barricade4 features several saturation algorithms prior to the limiter section.
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- KVRist
- 96 posts since 13 Jun, 2023
Newfangled Saturate also uses ADAA iirc, but it's a spectral clipper so it will indeed be hard to match and very easily "re-EQs" your mix because of the spectral shaping.imrae wrote: Thu Dec 19, 2024 9:22 am I have some reservations about the general plan here to mix into a clipper then change the clipper. Saturate is not a normal waveshaper and will be hard to "match"! Still, looking for a low-latency soft clipper is a reasonable ask...
Perhaps El Juan with input saturation enabled?
apShaper has a low-latency mode; I think this still uses ADAA so should be cleaner than most other low-latency clippers?
If you are running at 96k there may be enough headroom to use one of the many airwindows clippers/waveshapers that doesn't oversample.
airwindows NC-17 is TOO good sounding honestly xD every time I use it I want to push gain into it because of how fat it makes everything sound. It has a very smooth transfer curve so anything over 88.2khz should produce inaudible aliasing on a master. You can somewhat replicate the NC-17 using apShaper's "harmonic" module (drive the 2nd harmonic using the dynamics) with the benefit of ADAA, but you'll have to turn down the gain a bit afterwards to compensate for oversampling itself causing higher peaks (nc-17 or ClipSoftly don't have this problem)
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- KVRAF
- 2596 posts since 12 Nov, 2014
That pretty much rules out anything with oversampling. That always adds latency.
If you're tracking and/or arranging it's best to avoid anything with latency/oversampling. Once everything is in place, however, and you're in the mix phase latency isn't such a big deal. Thats when oversampling can be your friend.
Perhaps consider a saturation plugin that allows you to turn off the oversampling to get the low latency you want, but also offers you the ability to use it when it does become useful.
If you're tracking and/or arranging it's best to avoid anything with latency/oversampling. Once everything is in place, however, and you're in the mix phase latency isn't such a big deal. Thats when oversampling can be your friend.
Perhaps consider a saturation plugin that allows you to turn off the oversampling to get the low latency you want, but also offers you the ability to use it when it does become useful.