Bass Studio - New DAW

[pekbro]

Maybe he just wants to design his own DAW or maybe utilize his abilities to do that, from where I'm standing those abilities seem quite good.

[VOODOO U]

Well, I could have guessed that it would be all about you and not about music.

It's about *me liking my written music*. It's not that hard to understand. If you're writing music you don't care much about then what's the point?
Before any outside opinions, I have to like the music. So long as i like it, outside opinions are just that, opinions. If someone said my music is the biggest pile of shit, I'm ok. If someone said my music is the best thing to exist, I'm ok. Why? Because I like my music. Comprende?

So why do it, if it doesn't matter and it wasn't any good? If it's all about you, why not do something else?

Could you stop with the mix n match of comments please? It's f**king going nowhere.
I wasn't into my output for a while yes but I love music so that's what kept me.going and voila, i finally got to a point where I made music I can listen to over and over. When I said "it doesn't matter" I was referencing others opinions after sincerely liking one's output.

If we wanted people to like us, we wouldn't be making the kind of music we make.

Doesn't matter what kind of music you make so long as it's made with passion. And passion cannot be "faked". The point of every artist should be sincere self expression and that's where the problem is. Too many bullshit artists. To be quite honest I'm not that good as a songwriter. What I've got going for me is a don't give a f**k attitude and write what brings out the *oomph* in me. Not what everyone else wants and guess what.....I've realized now that's what people want....you at your best. And unfortunately there's too many out there not at their best because they give a f**k. They want likes, they want subscribes, they want to be noticed etc etc.

What I want is for the music I love to have the same level of popularity it had 30-40 years ago, so that more and more people would have exposure to it. It doesn't have to be our music, it's the genre that matters to me.

I'm not into the whole religious God crap but I do accept that there's a Master of Equilibrium. If this genre of music you speak of is meant to be spread at any given time because it serves the whole of balance, it'll happen. Blues, rock, hip-hop....these didn't happen "just because".

Bottom line whatever is avaialble on the mixer strip, can be displayed on the track in the arrangement view.

No, that's the arse-end up view because it won't be displayed efficiently and you won't be able to go in and adjust anything without opening a window on top of what you are looking at.

I need to open a window to adjust volume? Pan? Phase shifting? Look, whether the faders are vertical or horizontal doesn't change the fact that you'll have to open some windows. You have synth windows open but what if you want to adjust something with drums? Gasp! Looks like you'll have to open the F-U-C-K-I-N-G drum plug. See how that works?

Are you f**king telling me yo can't do this with Cubase? Logic? Pro f**king Tools??? Studio 1?

Of course not, it's a stupid idea. That's why they all have an Inspector window,

f**k inspector windows. Just give me the ability of having all mixer options available on an arrangement view track.

Traktion tried to put it all in one view but it was really clunky. I doubt that Reaper does it any better.

That depends on your personal layout. Reaper allows you to clunk shit up or keep it nice and purrty.

If you look closely at the master channel, you can see how hard the limiter is working without opening its GUI window (the little yellow line is dynamic).

Or i can *hear* how hard the limiter is working. Right? Anyhow I'm willing to bet Reaper can be setup to display dynamic readings on the master channel although I don't see the point when all that matters is the main volume output. Is it too hot? Decrease the limiting.

you can adjust the important parameters on your effects without opening a GUI window, either.. It's all there and you can take it in with a glance.

Had you bothered to pay attention I mentioned any plugin parameter can be set directly on the track so there's no need to.open the gui. I don't personally do this but i probably should with frequently used plugs.

How f**king dumb are you?

I dunno. Depends how much I drink suppose.

you've not been thoughtful enough to provide a screenshot of your set-up.

Ha ha...bones asking others to be thoughtful. That's too funny. You want a screenshot you can have it but it's not going to do you any good. It's all personal workflow preference and you seem content with your setup so....

if I automate anything, it's usually levels in the mixer, which is more accurate if I use the Mixer, with nice, long fader throws.

What's it matter if the fader is vertical or horizontal?

I I have the mixer and arrangement views open together, there is no need to chose between one and the other. That's what makes it work.

Same difference stupid!!! Except that you have an extra window taking up space with the mixer view.

[twal]

Love the Peace theme. A lot of this "discussion" or "argument" stems from Bones not being familiar with Reaper. Nothing wrong with that. I'm just pointing out some stuff. Reaper is simple, you have Tracks which are all the same, then you have sophisticated routing system, and optionality- you don't have to build the beast or go in depth, it's like the Wizard of Oz ride at Disney World, you can follow the yellow brick road or sleep through that and just focus on Kansas. Actually I don't remember if there is such a ride, I'm probably thinking of Snow White or whatever; anyways you get the picture...

If you are using Bitwig but not the modularity, audio chopping capabilities nor the rack style like Live, then why? If you're using Live and don't care for much of the same, then why? If you're using Reason but not the racks and ssl, then why? If you're using Cubase but not its midi, chord tracker and what ever else is its strengths then why? If you're not using the same for Studio One then why? Rhetorical question; and maybe you simply "want to" or are used to it and/or enjoy it. It's all fine.

But, if you just want a stripped down version to sequence and put audio on a timeline, perhaps Reaper is more suitable. That's why I recommended it. You can make it bare bones if you want to without all the bogging down other daws impose...

[pekbro]

I like Reaper myself, I'm just loathe to pay for it, again, for the simple reason that I barely use it when I have paid. Latest lic I have is for ver 6. I mostly go between Bitwig, Live and Mulab actually. I also have not upgraded and don't really use, S1 and Reason. If I could choose one DAW to have everything I like to use in it, it would probably be Mulab, but its still got a ways to go to eliminate everything else sadly...

[Starbright]

No, it doesn't have a mixer right now. The product is at a rather early stage though, so it might get one at a later point. No, a mixer is not absolutely required, since - as pough correctly pointed out - if absolutely neccessary one can mix a whole song just using the track-controls.

Every studio on the planet has a mixing console as the centrepiece of its workflow. Why would anyone want to f**k with that? It is the no. 1 most important tool in music production, not something you get around to adding when you feel like.

Yeah the mixer view is a bit redundant.

No it's f**king not and to replace it you need to add several disparate elements that make the workflow more complex and less transparent for no benefit. The mixer is where you do the bulk of your production work. If it's not, you're doing it wrong.

It's traditional and probably why most DAWs have it as a separate view but I think it's a waste to bother with it.

Really? Where do you add effects? Where do you get an overview of your project so you can see how things are interacting? It is the one place where all the bits and pieces come together, where you can get that perfect overview of what's going on.

Anyhow, yeah....mixer views for traditionalists. Nothing important.

Unless you want to actually get shit done, rather that just f**k-arsing about.

First of all the whole discussion is beginning to miss the point: this is a discussion about "Bass Studio".
Because it has a mixing console.
Fighting over a working style is just ludicrous. We all work differently and that can lead to vastly different and interesting results (I also barely ever use a dedicated mixer these days).
I also think that BONES, sometimes just loves trolling or at least complaining a lot about unnecessary stuff.
Let him be. Everyone of us loves doing our stuff and it's not worth arguing with someone who's just in for the attention instead of supporting and seeking the attention through their own music.
And overall it's not good for the developer if he ever comes back to his forum

[twal]

I thought the same, but after thinking about it I actually believe these types of discussions keep the topic going stronger. Virtualdaw has his (I think it's a him) topic and the same sort of thing is occurring, but he is gathering information from it and it keeps the thread ongoing. The thing with Reaper is that it can be hard to conceive if one hasn't used it and a lot of that conversation has drifted into nonsensical back n' forth. Still, I appreciate strong opinions. What I hare are streams of complaining or personal insults (general ones from Bones seems ok though hahaha)...

[spoontechnique]

I switch DAWs regularly because I enjoy learning them and playing with them. It's fun and helps me approach music differently!

I hope the dev ignores whatever's going on in this thread. Making a DAW is hard work and an awesome think to do. Good luck, and I'll check it out when I get the chance!

[spoontechnique]

And another thought -

yes, the DAW world is crowded and most people don't like to switch. Which is why you shouldn't be afraid to do things your own way! If you don't want a mixer view (as a belated example), you don't have to add one! Some people will hate or love it...which is much more interesting than doing exactly what's been done already.

[mhept]

Its open source now!

[jpcrowther]

Can it be controlled via MIDI? Would something like Midi Command Studio work well with it for shortcuts etc?

[mhept]

No. Compared to big DAWs out there Bass Studio 0.7.0 currently only has rudimentary MIDI support. This attributed to the fact that I am a solo dev and own no functional MIDI hardware. Also I have been working on Linux, where MIDI support is really stuck in the 90s.

[jens]

This attributed to the fact that I am a solo dev and own no functional MIDI hardware.

Ich könnte Dir ein Gerät schicken, falls Dir das weiterhilft.

[bermudagold]

Its open source now!

you've gone back and forth on this...curious what ur rationale and thoughts have been over time...I was always hoping to see you rewarded for all your work...which is quite an accomplishment...open source doesn't always seem to facilitate that...looking at Matt Tytel and others...glad to see its still going though...salute

[mhept]

Its open source now!

you've gone back and forth on this...curious what ur rationale and thoughts have been over time...I was always hoping to see you rewarded for all your work...which is quite an accomplishment...open source doesn't always seem to facilitate that...looking at Matt Tytel and others...glad to see its still going though...salute

First time around I was hoping to get OSS contributions. But I got none. So, with the upcoming AI tooling back then I was sure I could do the 1-man army show.

Second time around (may 2026) I realized that AI got so expensive that I can no longer stay ahead.
Right now I can't afford the tokens. Programming without LLMs feels pointless right now.

The internet is no longer the place it was (https://craphound.com/category/enshittification/).
OSS is now fighting against AI vulnerabilities and slop.

Maybe Bass Studio is useful as a reference for plugin loading, but it certainly can't compete with Ableton and the likes. It's still my toy project