Presonus Studio One 7.1 - Released!

[Vocalpoint Studios]

The problem is the people making the decisions are probably not the same people who were making decisions prior to the Fender merger.

It probably isn't even the same department. I suspect Studio One's development roadmap used to be controlled by PreSonus's software development team, and since has been taken over by Fender's marketing department.

Dude - you are so far off the trail here - you should send up a flare so someone can come and help you.

VP

[jamcat]

Care to share your insight?

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Care to share your insight?

Don't really need to explain but I connect with folks over there every couple of weeks or so on one thing or another. The same guys who I have been talking to for years.

Most of the S1 crew hang out in the official Facebook group (including GM Arnd Kaiser - who has been there forever). Lots of existing Presonus folks (like Ari Ahrendt) are in new Studio One forums as well.

I have zero concerns on the dev teams over there. Espeically as it relates to Fender.

VP

[Fidelitymusic]

A Native Instruments alike sample based preset synth

Did you even take a f**king look at it? It is a fully programmable synth with features that at least match any $200 VSTi you'd care to name. Coming out with shit like that, without having looked at the thing, just makes you look like a complete f**king moron.

Why are you always on here throwing a fit?

You're the one who hasn't taken a look at it. It's the same exact plugin as Lead Architect and Deep Flight One, with different sample-based presets and a new background image. These are the Presonus versions of Native Instruments Play Series with sample blending, effects, and modulation. It's not a fully programmable synth, and it isn't the equivalent of a $200 VSTi.

[BONES]

Oh dear, another one who likes everyone to think he's a f**king moron. Of course it's a fully-f**king-programmable synth. In fact, it's three of them layered. Each layer has it's own filters, envelopes and LFOs and they are all fully programmable, just like any other synth. Like some more expensive instruments, It has two effects chains per layer, including a trance gate, as well as global effects, an arpeggiator and repeater. Again, all of those features are fully programmable by the user and patches can be stored with your own, customised timbres. If that's not the very f**king definition of a fully programmable synth, then I don't know what the f**k is.

The problem is the people making the decisions are probably not the same people who were making decisions prior to the Fender merger. It probably isn't even the same department. I suspect Studio One's development roadmap used to be controlled by PreSonus's software development team, and since has been taken over by Fender's marketing department.

1. Why would you think that? From where I'm sitting, Studio One has been heading down this path since I started using it, more than five years ago. What was Sphere, other than the first step in this direction, which came years before Fender got involved.

2. If you're so dissatisfied, why did you upgrade, thereby confirming to Presonus that they'll get away with this shit? The one and only power any of us has over situations like this is to not give them your money. You can complain until you're blue in the face but as long as the revenue keeps coming in, they aren't going to take a blind bit of notice. I'm having a serious look at Cakewalk Next and, even though it's subscription only, I might end up using it just to send a message to Presonus that what they have done is not good enough and I'm not going to put up with it. If everyone who is pissed off with them did the same, they'd notice the drop in revenue and be forced into a rethink.

[jamcat]

1. Why would you think that? From where I'm sitting, Studio One has been heading down this path since I started using it, more than five years ago. What was Sphere, other than the first step in this direction, which came years before Fender got involved.

Sphere was one thing. They never took away our ability to continue with perpetual licenses. They stayed on the same development trajectory with the same focus and priorities, which seemed to be users like me. That all changed with version 7. It seems like they're suddenly chasing some new market segment that may or may not exist or be up for grabs for them. Everything about that to me looks like what happens when a new corporate marketing department comes in without really understanding or respecting their user base or the market, but have a lot of theories that look nice in a Power Point presentation.

2. If you're so dissatisfied, why did you upgrade, thereby confirming to Presonus that they'll get away with this shit? The one and only power any of us has over situations like this is to not give them your money. You can complain until you're blue in the face but as long as the revenue keeps coming in, they aren't going to take a blind bit of notice. I'm having a serious look at Cakewalk Next and, even though it's subscription only, I might end up using it just to send a message to Presonus that what they have done is not good enough and I'm not going to put up with it. If everyone who is pissed off with them did the same, they'd notice the drop in revenue and be forced into a rethink.

I upgraded because I am a Studio One user, and I will remain a Studio One user. They didn't take away any of the stuff I use and like (except for making the Arrange window look a bit worse), so even though I'm completely unimpressed with anything they've done since version 7, I still am going to want to stay current and will upgrade sooner or later, so I might as well bite the bullet and get used to it now, while there was a good upgrade price in December. I don't expect to see that price again until next December, when I'll probably pay for another year of discounted disappointment.

[BONES]

Sphere was one thing. They never took away our ability to continue with perpetual licenses.

They still haven't. You still have a perpetual license, it's just that it costs a lot more now than it used to.

They stayed on the same development trajectory with the same focus and priorities, which seemed to be users like me. That all changed with version 7. It seems like they're suddenly chasing some new market segment that may or may not exist or be up for grabs for them.

What, because they added a clip launcher, which plenty of users had been asking for for years? That's the only big change I can see in v7 and it kind of felt inevitable that they'd do it eventually.

I upgraded because I am a Studio One user, and I will remain a Studio One user.

Which is exactly what they wanted you to do. You showed them, just like you show Apple, that they can do whatever the f**k they want and you'll just keep coming back for more. That's why we lose.

[jamcat]

I upgraded because I am a Studio One user, and I will remain a Studio One user.

Which is exactly what they wanted you to do. You showed them, just like you show Apple, that they can do whatever the f**k they want and you'll just keep coming back for more. That's why we lose.

I have a lot of my work invested in Studio One. Not only all of my source tracks, but also a very refined template and workflow. I don't see any of that being replaceable. But I also once felt the same way about Cubase, until I didn't. So never say never.

I also used to be a devoted Windows user. Until I wasn't.

As for Apple, I haven't found myself disappointed with their direction so far.

These preferences don't occur in a vacuum. They are always just the result of a comparison of what's available. I know I haven't liked the direction of Windows starting after Windows 7. And I also know Linux users get what they pay for. When it comes to the Big 3 OSes, there's no contest, and I run all 3.

As for DAWs, maybe one day LUNA will surpass Studio One. If PreSonus got so bad that I decided to leave, I imagine LUNA would be the only serious contender. But we're nowhere near that for either of them as is stands right now.

[SeeingInMidi]

i don't know if it's just me, but i'd rather them create more effects than virtual instruments... but even if they do release a virtual instrument, a multisampled instrument feels low effort. but that just might be me.

It's all very definitely just you. Does anyone use on-board effects in any DAW? And the new instrument is something I'd be all over if I hadn't already spent $400-$500 on other sample libraries.

Yes. The userbase from Ableton and FL heavily use the on-board effects, and for good reason.

[dastewart]

I've been holding off upgrading to v7 until they add a feature which is of some use to me.

Like what? I just want it to be stable, in every other way it is head and shoulders better than any other DAW I have looked at.

I didn't make any comment on whether it was better/worse than any other DAW, I said that v7 and 7.1 didn't introduce any features which were of use to me.

Off the top of my head, things that would be of interest:

1. ANYTHING which improves the basic workflow of recording, editing and mixing. Like what? No idea but assuming that Studio One isn't perfect in every way I'll leave that to the guys at Presonus to work out.

2. Being able to move CHANNELS into a folder without having to create a track to do it. Presonus make a big thing about tracks and channels not having a 1:1 relationship but then you need to be able to do stuff with channels (like moving things into a folder) that you can currently only do with tracks.

3. Making network drives compatible with the file browser so you can drag events in/out of network drives.

4. Fixing the long standing bug which means that if a song gets too complicated Studio One crashes (actually goes into an infinite loop) when you try and update the master file through the project page.

I'm sure there are others but that gives you a flavour of the kind of things that would be of interest to me. Not saying that anybody else cares about these things but, at the same time, I doubt I'm that unusual.

[dastewart]

I've been holding off upgrading to v7 until they add a feature which is of some use to me.

Still waiting.

Nothing, literally nothing of interest here. I really hope that they've been disappointed by v7 sales and upgrades so they take a long hard look at themselves and change direction.

The problem is the people making the decisions are probably not the same people who were making decisions prior to the Fender merger.

It probably isn't even the same department. I suspect Studio One's development roadmap used to be controlled by PreSonus's software development team, and since has been taken over by Fender's marketing department.

You may well be right (who knows) but my point remains valid. Ultimately these companies want to make money and I genuinely hope that v7 has been a commercial failure so they re-think their development roadmap. Doesn't matter who's in charge.

[SLiC]

I switched from Cubase to S1 for the cleaner and simpler workflow (less stuff!) but now getting driven towards 'just add stuff' to keep subscribers happy- I felt Bigwig also went this way...lost of short term 'add a compressor' rather than fundamental workflow innovation and finishing things off properly, Times we live in I am afraid..more is more...

[dellboy]

So I downloaded the demo and installed.

I have version 6,and the only feature in 7 that I have any interest in is the so called "clip launcher". In reality I have zero interest in it as a clip launcher to launch third party samples. I only want it as a pattern based real time clip recorder. So I just made a short eight track song using an external synth played in by hand. The shortest track, (clip) was four bars, and the longest track (clip) was 29 bars, the other six tracks were of varied lengths, and it all kept in perfect sync. Quite impressive.

As a recorder its quite basic,and needs a lot adding,but its foundation seems to be very good. An odd thing is that after recording a clip it loops for four bars the first time its played before any sound is heard. I have looked for somewhere to change that mode,but it does not seem to be there.

[Zikax]

Am I the only one who feels like they used to deliver more features in smaller updates? Could it be that they lost developers after Fender acquired them? Or did Fender simply cut their budget? And the whole thing with Splice – it’s not even from PreSonus, but they act like they developed it themselves.

And this Cinematic Lights plugin is basically the same as Lead Architect and Deep Flight One, just with different samples.

[J Veronica]

Don't worry, we'll get another Deep Flight One reskin in 3 months. Plus bug fixes to things they break along the way.

That'll be $150 please.