I Just Bought A New Host!

[BONES]

or you could request the things that you feel are missing, or could be implemented better, and watch jorgen respond with lightning speed developing these features (most likely) and thus contribute to both getting the app the way you want, and making ext better for everyone

I will wait until I have a full understanding of eXT before I start to ask for things. Nothing pisses me off more than someone whining about something in ORION that is different to what they are used to when they have been using it for all of five minutes and making a change would force everyone else to alter their methods to accomodate it. But if I can find an existing thread I will most certainly add my voice to the chorus.

there is a general request for a more configurable midi editor with the concept of being able to switch to a midi editing scheme which suits you best.

Shit like that puts me off. I am much happier learning the ways of something than having to wade through a million configurations to get things working.

Indeed, Orion's Pianoroll is probably the only thing it excels(IMHO).

You don't like the idea of a proper mixer? How do you go about doing EQ, send and insert effects in eXT? It is something I have been pondering for most of the evening and I cannot see a half-decent way of doing it.

[Caleb]

there is a general request for a more configurable midi editor with the concept of being able to switch to a midi editing scheme which suits you best.

Shit like that puts me off. I am much happier learning the ways of something than having to wade through a million configurations to get things working.

There will be a default I imagine so you don't necessarily have to learn how to configure a million different things to get started I hope.

Anyway - as you are already learning the way of EnergyXT at the moment, you can just change at the time if it suits you. There's no iron clad promise that this will be implemented and in what way. It's a Feature Request at this stage I believe.

It's not as immediately intuitive to get started in comparison with Orion is it?

Caleb

[BONES]

There are a lot of things that are completely opaque at the moment but the basics are pretty easy if you take your time and let things sink in. The Flash Tuorials are pretty good and show you how to get stuck right into it whilst learning the basics.

[Caleb]

Did the beginner pack help?

Asseca and DarkStar spent quite a bit of time getting that together to help with the process of familiarisation and configuration at a basic level.

NicFit's tutorials are great. I used them alot when I first started.

Caleb

[TheWall]

You don't like the idea of a proper mixer? How do you go about doing EQ, send and insert effects in eXT? It is something I have been pondering for most of the evening and I cannot see a half-decent way of doing it.

One of the reasons I love Tracktion is that it has no mixer...

Seriously, there are way too many EQ plugins on the market. I just plug in one into the chain whenever necessary, and the same for inserts(hopefully jorgen can implement a replace plugin feature one day. It's probably down at the bottom of his todo list). As for sends, I still prefer using eXT's mixer comp's send(it's not labelled as send as in the early versions). It just takes a few clicks to route the audio anyway.

It's not as fast as a fixed mixer as in Orion, but it's surely hell lot more flexible.

[BONES]

Did the beginner pack help?

No, I had managed to put together a better set-up on my own which I stupidly allowed the beginner pack to overwrite. It doesn't have the current version and you can't set a path for some of the files so it was more hassle than it was worth.

It's not as fast as a fixed mixer as in Orion, but it's surely hell lot more flexible

More flexible how? A lot of people say this and I just don't get it. I can do anything in the mixer. What I like about it is that it gives an instant overview of my entire project in a much better way than the schematic in eXT, which lacks a standard layout and is a little skimpy on important detail.

[Caleb]

You don't like the idea of a proper mixer? How do you go about doing EQ, send and insert effects in eXT? It is something I have been pondering for most of the evening and I cannot see a half-decent way of doing it.

In the sequencer?
There is a section called Sends in the sequencer mixer on the left hand side that allows you to add the send effects of your choice.

Once they're there, you have the option in each of your synths etc. you send a percentage of signal to that send. Default is 0 of course. Then the button next to it is a pre/post fader control.

With the inserts, each VSTi has a small numbered button in the sequencer mixer which relates to each of its available audio outputs. If you click this button you can add an insert effect.

I hope this is what you were talking about.

I try not to use the actual mixer component to do these kinds of things in EnergyXT in situations where the sequencer mixer can do it all already. Adding another mixer for all your tracks just sucks extra CPU for no reason; well imho anyway.

Caleb

[TheWall]

More flexible how? A lot of people say this and I just don't get it. I can do anything in the mixer. What I like about it is that it gives an instant overview of my entire project in a much better way than the schematic in eXT, which lacks a standard layout and is a little skimpy on important detail.

Say, you can route a send's audio through any effect you want then to another send. (this has just been requested by jens for a similar implemntation in the seq comp as well...but it's much more transparent in the non-seq environment IMHO)

Basically, the visual way and the freedom encourage experimentation. That's both the strength and weakness of ext. (in the eyes of different ppl that is)

[BONES]

OK, I see where it all is now. Its not terribly elegant and there are way too few meaningful labels in the GUI. Its like a secret club. The sequencer almost feels like it should be the outermost layer - it is certainly where all the host functions are. Its also the thing that puts me off every other host so I will definitely not be using eXT stand-alome for any serious work [but its handy for learning].
Hooking stuff up in schematic to be controlled by ORION [sequencer as outermost layer] seems to be where it will excel for me, although I can see the potential to set up a sequencer as a drum-machine or some other audio or MIDI based device.

[BONES]

Basically, the visual way and the freedom encourage experimentation. That's both the strength and weakness of ext. (in the eyes of different ppl that is)

Yeah, great for mucking about, lousy for getting anything done.

you can route a send's audio through any effect you want then to another send

I just don't see any practical application of such convoluted signal paths. The way I look at it is that if something needs that much help from effects, it probably isn't the right sound to be using in the first place. If I really did need to do something like that, it would probably just require a second instance of the second send effect to achieve the same result in ORION, which is hardly an issue.

[Caleb]

Its not terribly elegant and there are way too few meaningful labels in the GUI. Its like a secret club.

I felt exactly the same way when I was discovering sends and inserts in the sequencer.

Caleb

[jens]

. Having to hold down the ALT key to enter notes into the PR is ridiculous

why not just making a double-click?

as is having to select a note in order to edit it's velocity. [/quote]

crtl+a or lassoing/multi selecting - it's up to you what notes to edit... - this behaviour is clearly far superior to always being able to edit the velocity of all notes

[Shifrin]

yeah, I found it thanks. I like the icons in the schematic but the scroll-bars, etc are a little "yikes!".

Shif.

[visa tapani]

Basically, the visual way and the freedom encourage experimentation. That's both the strength and weakness of ext. (in the eyes of different ppl that is)

Yeah, great for mucking about, lousy for getting anything done.

How so?

[Lunch Money]

Probably in the way of "OK, I feel like making some music, howzabout some effects and pressing 'record'". Oops... where do I put those effects again? How come it's recording an 8-bar loop? What just happened?