Wave Alchemy - Triaz Native - No Kontakt -- Free for current owners!

[emef]

So far the pattern seems to be that they are very active on KVR once they have to show something new and get feedback right away. Then they retreat, make something cool and only appear again once it's (almost) done

They've retreated so far they can't even reply to my request for a refund on my double purchase of the Drift library. It's not a good look.

did you get a reply from them?
i contacted them this morning and i'm wondering if maybe they just don't respond to people

[dastewart]

Not an owner yet but thought I'd chip in and say that I spent some time with Atlas 2, XO and Triaz over the weekend and Triaz was the one that seemed to work best for me. It felt the most complete, the most fun to use and the workflow seemed to gel very well with how I like to do things. It wasn't perfect but any gripe I had was minor and quite specific.

I thought I'd check in with the chat here and was a bit surprised at some of the negativity towards the developer because they seem to have followed their roadmap pretty well.

In fact, my only qualm with Triaz is that I just missed the the holiday sale period so I may have to wait until the next one before I pick it up.

Let me know if I missed any areas of concern prior to me shelling out but based on a few hours yesterday this looks really good.

[Gam456]

I thought I'd check in with the chat here and was a bit surprised at some of the negativity towards the developer because they seem to have followed their roadmap pretty well.

There are always people complaining about not having a new update every 6 month
They are are busy and working on few stuff

Triaz is great. The only cons is the sample browser.
I wish few thing like been able to create our own tag to import our own sample
Randomiser look weird, doesn't seem to work correctly. Many time, I'm not able to create anything
I wish a a specific lane for velocity and been able to create a step, like on a TR.

[Fannon]

KVR has lots of complainers, they are for sure not representative.

Triaz is great, I have no regrets getting it. Roadmap and dev priorities is also good to me. Just have some patience, so far they delivered nicely.

[SLiC]

KVR has lots of complainers, they are for sure not representative.

Triaz is great, I have no regrets getting it. Roadmap and dev priorities is also good to me. Just have some patience, so far they delivered nicely.

Yes, they gave it away free to pope who owned the Kontakt version then delivered a very nice free update to all...give them a change, its a very small company.

[emef]

KVR has lots of complainers, they are for sure not representative.

Triaz is great, I have no regrets getting it. Roadmap and dev priorities is also good to me. Just have some patience, so far they delivered nicely.

Triaz IS great, it's an excellent drum machine, i just wish they would reply to messages on their contact form.

[dastewart]

Thanks for the feedback everybody. Unfortunately I've run into a "host sync" bug with Studio One so I've contacted Waves Alchemy to see if they intend to fix it. I can see looking back on this thread that this has been a problem with Logic and Bitwig but not sure if anybody tested it out with Studio One.

Let's see what happens.

Edit: okay, with lots of trial and error I've worked out its some kind of conflict with Studio One's own sample based drum machine instrument (Impact XT) because if I remove that from the session then Triaz now syncs properly. Weird.

[Gam456]

I haven't notice that bug in Bitwig

[Van41]

Hi, I would like to know if there is anyone who is using Triaz with the Machine Mk3, I am trying to get it to work, I would like to get the control of triaz on the Mk3, but there are no videos or tutorials on how to implement them together,
Thanks

[dastewart]

I put Triaz through its paces today and tried to use it on the song I'm currently producing. There was a lot to like about it but I am struggling to integrate it into my workflow and am not sure it's going to work for me.

First problem is that I really like the presets that come with Triaz, it's actually one of the reasons I was drawn to it, but I don't like the fact that you can't mix and match. So, maybe I like the kick/snare/hats from one preset but want to see if I can find the percussion from another. As far as I can tell you can't lock some of the lanes and audition the others from presets.

Second problem is that I like to alter the pattern throughout the song and you do have lots of different slots for different patterns. But, you can't say find a preset that you like and save to slots 1-4 and then listen to some other presets and save them to patterns 5-8 and so on. Once you choose another preset then it overwrites all the slots.

Third problem is that I like to build the song with different patterns and then go back and change/edit what I've done. But you can't lay out the patterns onto a song line without dragging it to the DAW. But once you've dragged it to the DAW you can't easily re-import it back into Triaz to edit it later on and the pattern may well get lost once you've started loading other presets to listen to them.

All these problems are inter-related to some extent but having played about with it then I think it may just not work the way I'd like it to and maybe it's more for people who want to just create one beat and have it playing throughout the whole song. I use Superior Drummer 3 for acoustic drums and I really want a similar workflow for my electronic beats but Triaz isn't there yet.

I'll persevere and give it another go tomorrow to see if there are any good workarounds but I think it may be Triaz 2 or Triaz 3 before it does what I need.

[MoodyB]

But once you've dragged it to the DAW you can't easily re-import it back into Triaz to edit it later on and the pattern may well get lost once you've started loading other presets to listen to them.

You can record a pattern from your DAW back into Triaz.

Select an enpty seq slot, turn on host sync, enable record & right-click record button, set it to 'start recording on note input' then press play in the DAW.

[mixtur.se]

First problem is that I really like the presets that come with Triaz, it's actually one of the reasons I was drawn to it, but I don't like the fact that you can't mix and match. So, maybe I like the kick/snare/hats from one preset but want to see if I can find the percussion from another. As far as I can tell you can't lock some of the lanes and audition the others from presets.

Second problem is that I like to alter the pattern throughout the song and you do have lots of different slots for different patterns. But, you can't say find a preset that you like and save to slots 1-4 and then listen to some other presets and save them to patterns 5-8 and so on. Once you choose another preset then it overwrites all the slots.

Third problem is that I like to build the song with different patterns and then go back and change/edit what I've done. But you can't lay out the patterns onto a song line without dragging it to the DAW. But once you've dragged it to the DAW you can't easily re-import it back into Triaz to edit it later on and the pattern may well get lost once you've started loading other presets to listen to

Agreed, and the workaround I use is to copy/paste across channels.
I sometimes even open a separate instance for browsing and use that to copy from (it works well across instances). My suggestion is to added a browser for kit pieces, and not just for samples but actual presets with layers and effects.
A similar concept applies to sequencer tracks.

[Gam456]

I believe. The most important thing to improve. It's been able to save a channel (wav, efx etc...) independently from the sequencer.
And been able to save the whole sequencer or an individual channel.

[dastewart]

But once you've dragged it to the DAW you can't easily re-import it back into Triaz to edit it later on and the pattern may well get lost once you've started loading other presets to listen to them.

You can record a pattern from your DAW back into Triaz.

Select an enpty seq slot, turn on host sync, enable record & right-click record button, set it to 'start recording on note input' then press play in the DAW.

Thanks for that, just tried it and it almost works. Unfortunately it's not 100% accurate on every hit and it also doesn't really import any of the sequencer stuff like repeat, delay, motion.

I appreciate the tip but seems like a proper import function is something that Waves Alchemy would need to implement themselves. Or have a way of laying out different patterns on a song grid in Triaz which would be the best option imho.

[dastewart]

Agreed, and the workaround I use is to copy/paste across channels.
I sometimes even open a separate instance for browsing and use that to copy from (it works well across instances). My suggestion is to added a browser for kit pieces, and not just for samples but actual presets with layers and effects.
A similar concept applies to sequencer tracks.

Okay, I didn't realise you could copy across instances and that's really useful to know. Unfortunately it falls flat when it comes to "motion" as it doesn't copy the motion with the sequencer data and you also can't copy the associated sounds channel if there's motion on it.

It's really frustrating because I like so much about Triaz but I just can't see how to use it in a real production as it just lacks the features that you would need (or at least I would need) to audition and lay out the beats for an entire song.