KVR Audio

declassified · Post by **declassified** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 1:52 pm

scandipandy wrote:pop it into the CD and you have linux on any hardware running win.

...and use the Knoppix Installer to make it persistant on your hard drive.

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:02 pm

I tried really quite hard to stick to linux-supported hardware but I'm using an MSI Delta-ILSR with the onboard SATA RAID controller... and I've yet to see support for that in a free linux. (Oops.

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scandipandy · Post by **scandipandy** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:04 pm

matt_bentley wrote: Linux sucks because it's a plurality, rather than a consistent singularity - although others would argue that this is a virtue, I utterly disagree - decentralisation of user interface and standards design led to fragmented consistency of user interfaces=no desktop potential. Asides from specific projects where it's efficiency is extremely useful (rendering, high-cpu situations and security-risk scenarios (networking, obviously)), linux will never, ever be a viable desktop solution until they have the 'one UI to hold them all and in the darkness, bind them'.

So if microsoft made an audio optimized win xp, you would not like it ?

matt_bentley wrote: ... until programmers put away their egocentric (and usually, habit-based rather than commonsense-based) design protocols, there will never be a place for linux on my computer, or anybodie's computer I set up

until you put away your generalized and missinformed (and usually, habit-based rather than commonsense-based) narrow minded protocol, there will never be a place for new invensions in your computer, or anybodie's computer you set up.

scandipandy · Post by **scandipandy** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:11 pm

pljones wrote:I tried really quite hard to stick to linux-supported hardware but I'm using an MSI Delta-ILSR with the onboard SATA RAID controller... and I've yet to see support for that in a free linux. (Oops. )

What about firewire 800 device with the lastest WinXp, and I've yet to see support for that in a nonfree windows (Oops.

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Swizzle · Post by **Swizzle** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:26 pm

Linux follows the Unix philosophy of having many small tools that work together to achieve a desired result. This means you have to understand each tool in terms of its inputs and outputs. If you like that philosophy, and you're willing to put in the time to learn, Linux is a beautiful operating system.

If you just want to make music, Windows has so much easy-to-use software that you'll never be unhappy.

It all depends on how deep you want to go into the process of making your music.

On the other hand, it all may come down to drivers. If the sound card you are using doesn't have good Linux drivers, you are SOL. So before you check out Linux, make sure that the sound cards you want to use have good Linux drivers available.

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 2:39 pm

Swizzle wrote:On the other hand, it all may come down to drivers. If the sound card you are using doesn't have good Linux drivers, you are SOL.

Windows: if the soundcard you are using doesn't have ASIO drivers..?

At least a linux audio dist will deliver low latency on non-pro soundcards, without messing about with ASIO4ALL type kludges.

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:48 pm

scandipandy wrote:What about firewire 800 device with the lastest WinXp, and I've yet to see support for that in a nonfree windows (Oops. )

Fortunately, I've no need of firewire... I'll have to get a supported SATA controller if I want to install Linux again, though. Some mfrs aren't particularly forthcoming on compatibility info and it wasn't that important at the time so I gambled.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:02 am

UltraJv wrote:The last distro I tried was Suse pro 9.2 It loaded support for Bluetooth which my laptop dosnt have and failed to load wifi support for the cardbus wifi which it does have. It also failed to load audio. I played around with YAST for a while to convince it that my hardware was really there but gave up. I also had to tell it I had an LCD display before it would let me use the native 1024*768 display!! It failed to load attal on my older lappy. Its not ready for the desktop yet.

It may not be ready for the kinds of proprietary hardware items found in laptops but it is certainly more than up to a more generic desktop machine. The two are really quite different and I wouldn't even try installing a fresh WindozeXP onto a laptop without the Recovery CD [or whatever] that came with it. I'm prety sure you would have many of the same hassles.

Wormhelmet · Post by **Wormhelmet** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 5:35 am

Unix, Linux, Mac OS, and Windows are all great operating systems. The reason I use windows for music is cost and availability only. Cost is cheaper than Mac and availability is greater than Linux. macs are great desktop systems and Windows is great as desktiop and server, while Unix shines at server and cluster technology. Linux is great for both desktop and Servers, but until they get more apps ported to it (and driver support), then I'll stick with windows for music. I used to dual boot XP and mandrake, but now I just run mandrake 10 as a virtual machine with VMware. No real midi or synth support in VM. I also have solaris 8 and free bsd I'm planning on installing as VM's, but I got sidetracked now trying to figure out synthedit. Now I wonder if they develop VM better to run on Unix as a host, if I could run XP on a cray with 4096 800MHz vector processors going at once? How many tracks and VSTi's would you have to open to max out?

soulata · Post by **soulata** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:08 am

Thanks everybody.

I didn't mean to use Linux for audio, only for surfing/typing...

I'm still not sure if it'll recognize my wireless lan card (trendnet TEW-423PI) and my G550.

I guess I'll just have to try one or two distros (I've Ubuntu, Knoppix live and Pingo - Suse9 based thing)

Recommendations?

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No1234 · Post by **No1234** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:22 am

scandipandy wrote: So if microsoft made an audio optimized win xp, you would not like it ?

Audio optimisation would occur at a system level not a gui level you dick. And no, I wouldn't support a separate gui for audio developers - because the gui that is there is designed to be useful for most tasks, not just audio apps - consistency helps any user, programmer or otherwise-

until you put away your generalized and missinformed (and usually, habit-based rather than commonsense-based) narrow minded protocol, there will never be a place for new invensions in your computer, or anybodie's computer you set up.

Oh f*ck off - anybody can try to sound clever by doing a reverse-tautology on the perpetrator of just thought. Learn some human user interface design basics and *grow* up- linux ain't a new invention.
m@

verstaerker · Post by **verstaerker** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:34 am

pljones wrote:Because it's there.

Because you can.

Because it's free.

Because it's bloody hard work (so you look cool having done it, especially if you've got solid MIDI and audio running along with a GUI and everything...)

yes - i still got my audio not working properly
(Suse_Linux: after each restart i have to reinstall audio-drivers new - but at least it works
Mandrake: no sound at all
Red Hat: no sound at all)

No1234 · Post by **No1234** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:35 am

platinumears wrote:Have you tried Ubuntu yet?

Nope-
I checked the website, looks good - but unfortunately it supports my point in that it's just another repackaging/build/gui - the biggest problem, that -I'm- talking about, is the lack of a centralised, singular gui and technical design standard for linux - this is a result of, and the strength of, the open-source community upon which linux is built- too many different ideas - too many people - lack of centralisation - which unfortunately you only get with a corporate body (*stink*) or a very focused small group of individuals (but not open-source communities).
there have been efforts to curb the trend towards decentralisation - but they have yet to yield any fruit - things will change, or more likely - they won't. In which case linux will remain - largely - relegated to specialist areas such as rendering, intensive cpu-processing and security areas, but not widespread desktop uptake.-
Thanks,
m@

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 11:42 am

matt_bentley wrote:the lack of a centralised, singular gui and technical design standard for linux

Why is that a negative and not a positive? Don't you think that both KDE and GNOME have a much better integrated and more powerful GUI than Windoze? Do you know of a distro that doesn't include [or at least support] these as well as many others? If people didn't appreciate variety, why would Micro$haft bother with themes or other customisation options?

mauseoleum · Post by **mauseoleum** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 12:13 pm

it's just another repackaging/build/gui - the biggest problem, that -I'm- talking about, is the lack of a centralised, singular gui and technical design standard for linux - this is a result of, and the strength of, the open-source community upon which linux is built- too many different ideas - too many people - lack of centralisation - which unfortunately you only get with a corporate body (*stink*) or a very focused small group of individuals (but not open-source communities).

you missed the point completelly : due customizability penguin is organization-friendly because any workgroup (with a tech-person) can near-totally tailor it's working environment to it's own needs and not somebody else's idea on *how things should be*.

at least - ask yourself what was in the boxes that spitted out the last movie you saw ... if sensitive people like moviemakers adopted penguin it MUST prove to be friendly. just imagine an animator with a slight hangover ... ouch.

which, on the other hand is NOT so handy for interaction *between* workgroups and practicing control/police etc.

that said, who cares about it?

Why Linux