Sytrus or Harmor?

[jacksmyphs]

Not to resample but to resynth it for further modification. The talk is not about samplers. Halion7 is not additive synth, is it? It seems that it's easier to use smth like prosoniq morph and vocoder to do transformations of acoustic samples than trying to get good resynthesys in additive synths which have been offered. They can only resynthesize easy instruments like woodwinds.

[IvyBirds]

Not to resample but to resynth it for further modification. The talk is not about samplers. Halion7 is not additive synth, is it? It seems that it's easier to use smth like prosoniq morph and vocoder to do transformations of acoustic samples than trying to get good resynthesys in additive synths which have been offered. They can only resynthesize easy instruments like woodwinds.

HALion7 has a really cool (and very very good) resynthesis engine they call the "Spectral Synthesis Engine". There is some kind of secret sauce going on behind the scenes but I have been unable to find any actual information on how they pull it off

It is BY FAR the best resynthesis tool I have ever tried and I am pretty sure I have tried pretty much most all of them

[jacksmyphs]

Thanks for advice but it does not have vst2. Also it has fm but not additive possibilities. Otherwise looks promising.

[IvyBirds]

Thanks for advice but it does not have vst2. Also it has fm but not additive possibilities. Otherwise looks promising.

Honestly I don't understand why people care about VST 2, in 2025. VST3 came out in 2008 that was 17 years ago. Are you really using a computer and DAW from pre 2008? What are you rocking a Pentium and Windows ME? I mean why be beholden to a plugin format that became obsolete 17 years ago and was released way back in 1999.

VST2 is 26 years old at this point

[Violet666]

Use surge XT way easier

[jacksmyphs]

In my experience vst2 has always been more stable than vst3 and probably with smaller latency too. My dual socket 8 cored pc from 2007 is on par with modern i7s... or almost on par. Even no reason to upgrade. This workstation from hp is of remarkable quality. You can find a lot of them sold used at cheap prices. It won't be a miss to grab such hp workstation. They are quite quiet also compared to many competitors. Btw i am an ardour user of vst1 as well. Quite often those rarely spaced delays based reverb and no dither concepts are the way to go, not mentioning other merits of fxs of other types. Ina grm come from pre vst and pre dx era and are still the standard of quality. Btw i specifically compared grm v1 vs grm v3 and algos do differ. V1 is preferrable... So my point of view is to have powerful hw with ancient software. Different kinds of incompatibilities are solved by linux wine staging

[jacksmyphs]

Nowadays life length can be measured in number of tablets not years and happinness in gigabytes For example: A scene at the funeral:
- He has lived 10 tablets
- Oh, he is such a long-liver! Most people now live 6 tablets.

A joke about the present-day reality...

[IvyBirds]

In my experience vst2 has always been more stable than vst3 and probably with smaller latency too. My dual socket 8 cored pc from 2007 is on par with modern i7s... or almost on par. Even no reason to upgrade. This workstation from hp is of remarkable quality. You can find a lot of them sold used at cheap prices. It won't be a miss to grab such hp workstation. They are quite quiet also compared to many competitors. Btw i am an ardour user of vst1 as well. Quite often those rarely spaced delays based reverb and no dither concepts are the way to go, not mentioning other merits of fxs of other types. Ina grm come from pre vst and pre dx era and are still the standard of quality. Btw i specifically compared grm v1 vs grm v3 and algos do differ. V1 is preferrable... So my point of view is to have powerful hw with ancient software. Different kinds of incompatibilities are solved by linux wine staging

Gotcha you are beholden to technology from close to 20 years ago and have no experience with modern PCs running modern OS, and modern software tools

And for the record your PC doesn't hold a candle to a modern i7 it's not even close.

[seafire]

VST2 is 26 years old at this point

Still works tho, and it's all I use, as its all my host allows. I'm not missing out on anything I need. I'm on Win 11.

Eventually, the stuff I use won't be available on vst2.4 via updates or whatever, but it really doesn't matter. I will prob die before this machine does, so I can just run what I have.

[vurt]

Nowadays life length can be measured in number of tablets not years and happinness in gigabytes For example: A scene at the funeral:
- He has lived 10 tablets
- Oh, he is such a long-liver! Most people now live 6 tablets.

A joke about the present-day reality...

pfft, i take over 20 tablets a day!

[jacksmyphs]

I don't believe in progress after 2005 and not going to upgrade. I am quite happy with vst 1 and 2. There are no plugins like rayspace and rayverb in vst3 and will never be, besides other valuable vst2 plugs.Algos were already perfect in 90s when vss4 was developed. Nothing beats it up to this day. I7 was not impressive vs my 2 xeons. I saw the comparison.

[IvyBirds]

I don't believe in progress after 2005 and not going to upgrade. I am quite happy with vst 1 and 2. There are no plugins like rayspace and rayverb in vst3 and will never be, besides other valuable vst2 plugs.Algos were already perfect in 90s when vss4 was developed. Nothing beats it up to this day. I7 was not impressive vs my 2 xeons. I saw the comparison.

Wow, can't believe anyone can say their ancient 2 Xeon system is somehow better than a modern i7, and beyond that if course is the improvements in RAM and Hard Drives your ancient mother board doesn't support

I mean of all you are doing is using ancient software with an ancient computer awesome, I have many vintage systems to do just that

But I also enjoy and use modern software on modern computers because they can do things the old software can't

[jacksmyphs]

What modern software do you mean? I observe simplification of software, for example spectrumworx 1 vs specops or reverberate 2 vs 3. I don't care about some minor power improvement over old xeons. They can do the same with only less amount of plugins at the same moment but if you freeze clips than you will hardly feel any benefits. As to realtime, newer ram is perhaps better but i can still record at buffer 16, mix at 32 with short plugin chains or at 64 with longer chains. I am quite content due to linux powerful rt possibilities. What breaks realtime is total latency of a plugin chain but not lack of power and that latency is kind of hardcoded inside plugins' code and more powerful cpu with ram won't solve this.