Software vs Hardware
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- KVRist
- 281 posts since 4 Apr, 2014
In 2025, virtual instruments sound so good that one doesn't even need to look at hardware. Even some old hardware is ported to VST, and more and more often we are getting new hardware in VST format. Some VST-only synths sound better than most hardware, even when it comes to analog emulations.
BUT...
The problem is, In-the-box systems have quite limited life span. When you get DX7, JP-8000, or even older analog, it's not irrational to expect it will last you a lifetime. You bought it for the characteristic sound. Sure, some components go bad, but usually it's possible to replace them.
With PCs, it's different. I'd say you have 7-8 years on average before the system becomes outdated. Either you cannot use new instruments (including new versions of old VSTis) without issues, or computer components begin to malfunction, or both. So basically, if you invested $200 in a soft synth, after some 8 years it's vaporized. You bought nothing. On the other hand, if you got classic hardware for $2000, it's highly likely the value goes up after 8 years.
Hardware takes space, it's expensive, impractical to use (cables, audio recording, sync issues). But it lasts much longer than any PC. The sound you like stays with you.
For example, I notice with my old machine running 24-thread CPU that the biggest problem is not CPU/ASIO usage with new instruments, but rather... GRAPHICS. And that's paradoxical. I mean, I can understand that video, photography, animation require graphical improvements within OS and hardware, but soft synths? Give me sound - graphics from 2012 is perfectly fine! And of course, new instruments very rarely implement multithreading. Any new VSTi would run perfectly with multithreading, even on old CPUs with lots of threads. Simple graphics + multithreading = long life PC (unless something burns of course).
Personally, I don't have time to make music, I just like to play soft synths occasionally for fun. So it's PC for me. But I do wonder, if I'd want to take music more seriously, would I be frustrated with PCs. I think I would. In some ways they are more practical than dedicated audio hardware and the sound is really great, but there are so many bugs, issues, incompatibilities to fix. It seems that computer musician doesn't actually have time to think about the music he creates. He's a software engineer and a beta tester. There's too much distractions.
Classical compositions are so good and stunning because usually composers worked with a limited, fixed set of physical instruments. I mean, they weren't exploring new version of piano every month.
BUT...
The problem is, In-the-box systems have quite limited life span. When you get DX7, JP-8000, or even older analog, it's not irrational to expect it will last you a lifetime. You bought it for the characteristic sound. Sure, some components go bad, but usually it's possible to replace them.
With PCs, it's different. I'd say you have 7-8 years on average before the system becomes outdated. Either you cannot use new instruments (including new versions of old VSTis) without issues, or computer components begin to malfunction, or both. So basically, if you invested $200 in a soft synth, after some 8 years it's vaporized. You bought nothing. On the other hand, if you got classic hardware for $2000, it's highly likely the value goes up after 8 years.
Hardware takes space, it's expensive, impractical to use (cables, audio recording, sync issues). But it lasts much longer than any PC. The sound you like stays with you.
For example, I notice with my old machine running 24-thread CPU that the biggest problem is not CPU/ASIO usage with new instruments, but rather... GRAPHICS. And that's paradoxical. I mean, I can understand that video, photography, animation require graphical improvements within OS and hardware, but soft synths? Give me sound - graphics from 2012 is perfectly fine! And of course, new instruments very rarely implement multithreading. Any new VSTi would run perfectly with multithreading, even on old CPUs with lots of threads. Simple graphics + multithreading = long life PC (unless something burns of course).
Personally, I don't have time to make music, I just like to play soft synths occasionally for fun. So it's PC for me. But I do wonder, if I'd want to take music more seriously, would I be frustrated with PCs. I think I would. In some ways they are more practical than dedicated audio hardware and the sound is really great, but there are so many bugs, issues, incompatibilities to fix. It seems that computer musician doesn't actually have time to think about the music he creates. He's a software engineer and a beta tester. There's too much distractions.
Classical compositions are so good and stunning because usually composers worked with a limited, fixed set of physical instruments. I mean, they weren't exploring new version of piano every month.
- KVRAF
- 3037 posts since 5 Jun, 2011 from Preston, England, UK
Hybrid! I use both, all the time, and hardly (if ever) encounter any issues.
Probably not helpful though, as everyone is different with different set ups and needs.
Just my personal opinion
Probably not helpful though, as everyone is different with different set ups and needs.
Just my personal opinion
software is a tool that allows us to complete a given task.
social media is full of tools that distract us from a given task.
myfeebleeffort
https://paulroach2.bandcamp.com/
https://hearthis.at/83hdtrvm/
social media is full of tools that distract us from a given task.
myfeebleeffort
https://paulroach2.bandcamp.com/
https://hearthis.at/83hdtrvm/
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 281 posts since 4 Apr, 2014
25 years ago. Back then soft emulations were crap.
Today, we have Diva, Repro, Synthx V, etc. Analog sound which is easy to mix, I like these emulators even better than originals.
Last edited by frag on Fri Feb 28, 2025 11:51 am, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRist
- 86 posts since 15 Aug, 2019
An even bigger thing not mentioned here is the developer discontinues the virtual intrument/effect. So even if you have older hardware capable of running it, you can't. An example I'll give is I kept an old Power Mac G5 around to run NI Kore 2, Vokator and Spektral Delay. I still have the machine and I still own the software but 2 years ago I lost the system drive and didn't have a back up of it and now I can't reauthorize the software to use it. Since then I've been buying hardware synths and rarely if ever use a software instrument. I refuse to spend time and/or money on something that at any moment I won't be able to use.
- KVRian
- 863 posts since 23 Feb, 2023
There are some VSTi 10-20 years old that still sound great, I guess most missed them...
Since software must run inside hardware & many hardware now have software what be the difference in sound? More of a preference or say a status symbol like having a swimming pool...
Back in the early-mid 80's I had a SH101 & a Casio CZ101 kinda wish I still had them but have enough as it is...
Since software must run inside hardware & many hardware now have software what be the difference in sound? More of a preference or say a status symbol like having a swimming pool...
Back in the early-mid 80's I had a SH101 & a Casio CZ101 kinda wish I still had them but have enough as it is...
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- KVRAF
- 2772 posts since 28 Mar, 2007
Excellent! A well balanced post.frag wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 9:45 am In 2025, virtual instruments sound so good that one doesn't even need to look at hardware. Even some old hardware is ported to VST, and more and more often we are getting new hardware in VST format. Some VST-only synths sound better than most hardware, even when it comes to analog emulations.
BUT...
The problem is, In-the-box systems have quite limited life span. When you get DX7, JP-8000, or even older analog, it's not irrational to expect it will last you a lifetime. You bought it for the characteristic sound. Sure, some components go bad, but usually it's possible to replace them.
With PCs, it's different. I'd say you have 7-8 years on average before the system becomes outdated. Either you cannot use new instruments (including new versions of old VSTis) without issues, or computer components begin to malfunction, or both. So basically, if you invested $200 in a soft synth, after some 8 years it's vaporized. You bought nothing. On the other hand, if you got classic hardware for $2000, it's highly likely the value goes up after 8 years.
Hardware takes space, it's expensive, impractical to use (cables, audio recording, sync issues). But it lasts much longer than any PC. The sound you like stays with you.
For example, I notice with my old machine running 24-thread CPU that the biggest problem is not CPU/ASIO usage with new instruments, but rather... GRAPHICS. And that's paradoxical. I mean, I can understand that video, photography, animation require graphical improvements within OS and hardware, but soft synths? Give me sound - graphics from 2012 is perfectly fine! And of course, new instruments very rarely implement multithreading. Any new VSTi would run perfectly with multithreading, even on old CPUs with lots of threads. Simple graphics + multithreading = long life PC (unless something burns of course).
Personally, I don't have time to make music, I just like to play soft synths occasionally for fun. So it's PC for me. But I do wonder, if I'd want to take music more seriously, would I be frustrated with PCs. I think I would. In some ways they are more practical than dedicated audio hardware and the sound is really great, but there are so many bugs, issues, incompatibilities to fix. It seems that computer musician doesn't actually have time to think about the music he creates. He's a software engineer and a beta tester. There's too much distractions.
Classical compositions are so good and stunning because usually composers worked with a limited, fixed set of physical instruments. I mean, they weren't exploring new version of piano every month.
Of course, the real answer is that neither hardware or software matters unless we have the skill to use them. Both are excellent in skilled hands. But personally, if I was both gifted and rich enough...................
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- KVRAF
- 4267 posts since 1 Sep, 2016
The thing about software synths is that if you can't use one anymore due to obsolescence, they're so cheap compared to hardware that buying a new one isn't a big deal and still far cheaper than buying its hardware equivalent.
- KVRian
- 564 posts since 3 Jan, 2021
You just discovered why open source software exists.frag wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 9:45 am
BUT...
The problem is, In-the-box systems have quite limited life span. When you get DX7, JP-8000, or even older analog, it's not irrational to expect it will last you a lifetime. You bought it for the characteristic sound. Sure, some components go bad, but usually it's possible to replace them.
With PCs, it's different. I'd say you have 7-8 years on average before the system becomes outdated. Either you cannot use new instruments (including new versions of old VSTis) without issues, or computer components begin to malfunction, or both. So basically, if you invested $200 in a soft synth, after some 8 years it's vaporized. You bought nothing. On the other hand, if you got classic hardware for $2000, it's highly likely the value goes up after 8 years.
- KVRAF
- 10168 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
Dont forget tactile enjoyment and not having to fire up a PC, load the synth and worry about OS updates breaking shit.
Just turn it on and play
Just turn it on and play
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- KVRAF
- 2906 posts since 24 Nov, 2023
And yet my PC boots faster than many hardware synths and as a Windows user I don't worry about OS Updates breaking anythingVariKusBrainZ wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 5:11 pm Dont forget tactile enjoyment and not having to fire up a PC, load the synth and worry about OS updates breaking shit.
Just turn it on and play
I also love a tactile experience and I get far more of that with my plugins that. Any hardware synth because I use good controllers and take the 10 minutes it takes to program them
It's always mind-blowing to me when people dismiss plugins because they want a tactile experience and go hardware when they have to accept the linited controls that the manufacturer sets up for them in a fixed way and menu diving
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- KVRAF
- 2906 posts since 24 Nov, 2023
My closet of broken hardware Synths that just stopped working one day would like a wordpsycho45039 wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 1:10 pm An even bigger thing not mentioned here is the developer discontinues the virtual intrument/effect. So even if you have older hardware capable of running it, you can't. An example I'll give is I kept an old Power Mac G5 around to run NI Kore 2, Vokator and Spektral Delay. I still have the machine and I still own the software but 2 years ago I lost the system drive and didn't have a back up of it and now I can't reauthorize the software to use it. Since then I've been buying hardware synths and rarely if ever use a software instrument. I refuse to spend time and/or money on something that at any moment I won't be able to use.
Hardware synths can and do break all the time, which is why I use software
I refuse to spend time anor money on something that at any moment I won't be able to use
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- KVRAF
- 2906 posts since 24 Nov, 2023
Hate to break it to you but that is not the case my DX7 's have all had issues that needed to be repaired or just junked. I have a broken JP-8000 sitting in a closetfrag wrote: Fri Feb 28, 2025 9:45 am The problem is, In-the-box systems have quite limited life span. When you get DX7, JP-8000, or even older analog, it's not irrational to expect it will last you a lifetime.
My Amiga from 1989 is still going strong, my Windows 98 system is still going strong 27 years after I built it and it still has music software on it
It's not irrational to think software can last a lifetime either, or at least as long as any hardware synth you can buy today
